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Wednesday, 08 October 2008

Nelson wants to take us back to the Howard era: Brown

23/07/2008 12:38:00 PM.  | AAP
Federal Opposition Leader Brendan Nelson wants Australia to fall behind other countries on emissions trading and take Australia back to the Howard era, Greens leader Bob Brown says.

Dr Nelson yesterday said Prime Minister Kevin Rudd should put back the government's 2010 date for implementing a carbon emissions trading scheme.

Under Labor's schedule, Australia risked losing billions of dollars in new investment and should not lay out its response until the world's major emitters met in Copenhagen next year, Dr Nelson said.

Senator Brown today accused Dr Nelson of again changing his position on carbon emissions trading, saying he now advocated a delay to at least 2011 or even later, depending on the response of other countries.

"In other words, Brendan wants to lead from behind, to keep us right back there where the Howard government was and not make moves unless all countries involved are taking the lead," Senator Brown told reporters in Sydney.

It seemed Dr Nelson wanted to extend the timeline further, he said.

"Brendan Nelson is more and more counting himself and the coalition out of a responsible debating process and negotiating process in the Australian parliament ... It would be good if he could make up his mind.

"The problem for Brendan is he is not listening to the scientists who have led the world in pointing out the catastrophic results of sitting on your hands."

COMMENTS

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

I suggest Senator Brown you are the one not listening to the scientists, well not the ones that matter anyway. This carbon trading shame is going to be a waste of time,effort and OUR money. You Senator Brown are only listening to selective theory with no proof so you can keep beating your GREENIE drum.

Posted by: Phil A, Central Coast

 

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

So? The Greens are a bunch of people who are absolutely out of touch with the reality anyway. They push for environmental consciousness AT ALL COST and often ignore the practicality sides of all the issues. No surprise to hear such ignorant comments from these people.

Posted by: W O, Turramurra

 

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

Instead of a complicated carbon trading scheme, we should be aiming to stop carbon emissions, not paying to emit them! We should start now by actually USING renewable energy and investing in new sources. Every new building should have solar panels, and we need more effiecient public transport, a reduction in the livestock industry with re-vegetation programs, and a zero population growth policy. Our government should be reducing the sources of ghg emissions, not charging to emit them!

Posted by: Vivienne Ortega, Heidelberg Heights

 

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

Mr Nelson and the Liberal party have become irrelivant on climate change they are purely using retail politics of fear, smear and untruths on this major issue facing mankind in our wolrd can i suggets to Mr nelson and the libs just get out of the way so the goverment can make an incredible hard policy decsion to try to go some way of solving climate change and further Mr Nelson the voting public want the goverment to make this policy decsion on behalf of the australian people

Posted by: Samuel DiGiovanni, Briar Hill

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

Sam Di Gi. What is the scientific link between emissions and global warming? Have you studied Dr Evans (scientific) research? Or are you basing your opinion on Rudd Rhetoric? The globe cooled in the last 10 years.

Posted by: Gary Benson, Blacktown

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

GaryNo I havent but all we know Dr Evans based his research on the basis of his commission from Mr Howard so it is not worht the piece a paper it is written on as it would be biased against taking action any reports to goverment should always be independed from goverment interfirence and we know what a master howard was with the truth Children overboard, AWB scandal , never never G.S.T the list is endless

Posted by: Samuel Di.Giovanni, Briar Hill

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

Sam, and Garnaut based his on Rudd's commission? Anyway, I think the ice data is fairly conclusive. Global warming happened BEFORE emmission inreases)? Its a necessary debate to have.

Posted by: Gary Benson, Blacktown

Friday, 25 July 2008

Samuel Di Giovanni, good answer, about independant reports and yes Howard and the children overboard. Please do more research . Many scientists are disagreeing with Global warming now and saying the world has now entered a cooling cycle,yet carbon emissions remain high.They say carbon has nothing to do with it,its a cycle that is not so unnatural.Alot of these scientists are independant.We need Tougher Pollution laws,not increased taxation.Global warming it seems,is mainly politicaly driven.

Posted by: Pierce B, Vic

 

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

Nelson is the Howard error or era, Bob. Nelson, Costello, Abbott, Hockey, Bishop, Andrews, Ruddock etc are all Howard era, they all represent the horrible policies of Howard, they all smell of Howard stench, they are all anti environment. They are all pro inflation, pro greed, pro making the rich richer. All the old Howard drones need to go, it's the only hope for the libs if they want to rid themselves of their 18th century image. Nelson though, actually only cares about being the leader.

Posted by: Graeme Henderson, Darling Downs

 

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

Samuel;Good comments! The Libs are sitting on the fence and will only decide which way to jump by Opinion Polls.They need to be very careful that they don;t slip and end up with one leg either side and hanging by their Nuts .Could be Painful.LOL

Posted by: Paul Keating, Dapto

 

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

Paul Dapto. What is the scientific link between emissions and global warming? Have you studied Dr Evans (scientific) research? LOL

Posted by: gary benson, blacktown

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

Gary B: No i Have not read Dr Evans research as i believe he did work for Howards Government so his research would be doctored to support Howards ideas.Aside from that my point is that the Libs have no firm Stance and how to deal with it.When they do finally have the Courage and Conviction to Publicly state their Policy then they might earn my Respect.I am waiting eagerly for that Policy.

Posted by: Paul Keating, Dapto

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

Paul D. Science is science, you are not qualified to claimthat the research is "doctored". Rudd fails to deal with the "cause" of warming (ie population growth will be the major contributor in Australia, and ETS will not deal with that). It is Rudd who is playing "popularist". He is on the beginning of a path to embarassing failure. Just hope he doesn't drag Australia down with him.

Posted by: Gary Benson, Blacktown

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

Paul Keating (ha!) wrote: "When they do finally have the Courage and Conviction to Publicly state their Policy then they might earn my Respect." It is up to the sitting government to come up with the policies now, Paul. And the ball is totally in their court to prove that the science totally backs up the need for biggest tax increase in Australian history (carbon trading scheme). As of yet Rudd & Wong and co are yet to prove anything. No evidence at all. Just theories based on faulty models.

Posted by: Max Randall, Perth

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

Very true, Gary Benson. Rudd has totally gone down the pupularist path. Global Warming (now conveniently called "Climate Change" because the planet is actually COOLING) is the flavour of the month. Rudd is guaranteed some cheap political points. By the time the public catches on to the lack of hard evidence and realizes that these are just natural variations in the climate of the earth...he will be long gone.

Posted by: Max Randall, Perth

 

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

Hendo. What is the scientific link between emissions and global warming? Have you studied Dr Evans (scientific) research?

Posted by: Gary Benson, Blacktown

 

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

Paul, and others...this might assist the debate. http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Evans-CO2DoesNotCauseGW.pdf Please don't discount Evans because of his Howard affiliation, because for the same reason Garnaut could then be attacked for his Rudd affiliation. Look at the ice core detail and the "fact" that carbon levels post dated warming?

Posted by: Gary Benson, Blacktown

 

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

Summary of Dr Evans position. 1985 – 2003. Old ice core data led us strongly suspect that CO2 causes global warming. 2003 – 2007. New ice core data eliminated previous reason for suspecting CO2. No evidence to suspect or exonerate CO2. From Aug 2007: Know for sure that greenhouse is not causing global warming. CO2 no longer a suspect. INTERESTING. Alarmists (those in Rudd's camp) should read and respond. Penny Wong should be challenged by the Opposition to respond IMMEDIATELY.

Posted by: Gary Benson, Blacktown

 

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

There was nothing wrong with the Howard era-in fact it was a lot better than what we are getting now and we are going to get a lot worse from this lot. On the subject of anthropogenic global warming it might help if one can look at the figures instead of getting political about the matter. If one considers the effect that the naturally produced water vapour has on temperatures then the total man made component is a mere .28%. If Australia were to cut out all emissions the total effect would be a) a reduction of .00042% of the total man made greenhouse emissions and b) complete annihilation of the Australian economy.

Posted by: Desmond Harris, Beacon Hill

 

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

Benson, keep up you whining all you want, you anti-environmentalists are just going to have to accept that you have been left behind. Drag out your paid scientists all you want, it makes no difference. 20 years ago we predicted the response of the nasty dirty polluters, it's not as if you lot are not predictable. In the mean time, your 18th century attitudes are part of history. How does it feel to realise that you are part of a noisy minority that is going to be ignored?

Posted by: Graeme Henderson, Darling Downs

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

Henderson. Garnaut is also a "paid scientist". Get some balance you silly old fool.

Posted by: Gary Benson, Blacktown

 

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

Bob Brown and the Greens are nothing more than communists dressed up as a environment party they want to lay their hands on an additional $30b+ pa to make everyone equal and tell everyone what they can and cannot do. The fact remains that unless the other major emitters actually do something our efforts (for real or imaginary climate change) added up to naught. Nelson is correct in saying we should wait its the only prudent course of action.

Posted by: True Blue, Adelaide

 

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

I remember Brown saying he wanted to drag us kicking and screaming into the '90s. I think he still does.

Posted by: Happy Fun Ball, Carramar/Sydney

 

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

Benson ya mug, I was all over this subject in the 1980's I have been watching the Scientists and politicians and the environmentalist try to catch up. I do not need a Garnaut report, or any of the other politicized statements. I do not rely on the media. I figured this out using my own knowledge of meteorology, geography and farming. I will tell you this, Global Warming is not the problem, climate change isn't the problem, sea level rise isn't the problem. The problem is food production.

Posted by: Graeme Henderson, Darling Downs

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

Henderson, you funny old fossil, so you are a "Scientist watcher" - you should get on well with your mate Kevvie. And as far as food production goes...how many citizens of the globe do you want removed to solve your problem?

Posted by: Gary Benson, Blacktown

Wednesday, 23 July 2008

Henderson, of course there is a problem with food production, it's because of the demands from world population growth. Since you were 'all over the subject in 1980' the world population has increased from 4.5 billion to 6.5 billion and Asia has accounted for most of it. There are currently rice shortages in some Asian countries but their populations continue to grow.

Posted by: Rob Banks, Canberra

 

Thursday, 24 July 2008

Why the popular media give Brown any attention at all amuses me more than his radical ideology.

Posted by: Ardent One, Perth

 
 

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