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Parramatta hold-up shooting could have been avoided

21/08/2008 5:02:00 PM.  | Chris Smith

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I want to return to this armed holdup at Parramatta, and the death of Kaled Dib, after being shot by one of the three guards and let’s not forget the carry-on at Auburn Hospital afterwards.

Firstly, only five months ago, this stupid kid was convicted of assaulting two security guards, again in Parramatta.

Now why wasn’t he charged with an attempted hold-up? Because you don’t walk along the street and give the nearest security guards a smack in the mouth.

Secondly, he was convicted and only got a fine for the assault, despite a fairly unimpressive rap sheet, including intelligence linking him to drugs and other unsolved robberies.

How does that work?

And that’s the point isn’t it?

There’s been a splurge in armed robberies in Sydney.

So aren’t we getting back to the old cause, the real cause, which is the limp-wristed punishment dealt out by courts? Of course we are.

There was some fairly aggressive suggestion yesterday from some commenters, that no matter what the circumstances, guards shoot to kill, whether their lives are in danger, or the crooks are getting away with the loot.

Well, do you really think that these iced-up, aggressive kids - and that’s what they are - who are prepared to risk lives in a robbery, will really be put off by that approach?

I doubt it.

But over to you.

COMMENTS

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Neither guards or cops "shoot to kill". They shoot to "stop" the threat. Its just so happens to be that the most effective places to shoot someone in order to stop them, will most often result in there death.

Posted by: No Need To Know, Sydney

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Chris Smith. I think that it was extremely wrong of to call the dead person a "stupid kid" this person has made a severe mistake which has costed his life, this could be a wake up call for all these young males who have thought of trying to figure out a way to get rich quick, because really thats what it is about. instead of putting on these young kids why don't you figure out a way to help them. these pple at the hospital had just found out he died. how would u react Chirs?

Posted by: suzie D, parramatta

Friday, 22 August 2008

You're a dead set idiot! You silly woman! Just because the crowd of "new australians/ fully sick friends" found out someone close to them died, it does not give them the right to behave like animals and show disrespect to police! This is Ausltralia and we have a calm western way of dealing with situations like these! Once again, police efforts and tax payers money is wasted trying to resolve a situation created by these animals... and you know what it will happen time and time again!

Posted by: Angry Aussie, Sydney

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Chris I agree to an extent with you, but I know had he pointed that gun at me, and I had been the guard, I would have responded in the same way the guard did. Perhaps the judiciary should be held responsible for his death in allowing him to get off with a fine prior to this incident. He apparently had a history of breaking the law, and in a violent manner. Had the "limp wristed" Judiciary done their job sooner, maybe he might still be alive today.The courts have a lot to answer for in many cases

Posted by: susan lowe, gippsland

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

We seem to be missing the point? An armed robber was shot while he was in the process of an armed robbery..wasn't that what happened? Doesn't matter what ethnicity was involved. The perpurtrator paid the price for his actions. Story ends. Except when we read that Sheik Taj El-Din El Hilaly gets involved, then we can see exactly what is likely to unfold. Sorry, no sympathy from me...except for the guard, and the guard's family and relatives.

Posted by: Geoff Bolton, Lane Cove

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Well DOH !! suzie, he was a stupid kid. He went armed with a gun to commit a robbery.DUMB. Hospitals have people losing their family members inside every minute Suzie, parents being called to a childs side after car accidents etc, all in shock.You dont see their families and friends mobbing outside the doors in a way the Police have to call in the dog squad.Did this mob think of others who might have needed to get into the hosp to be with their loved ones, who may have been dying. NO. Get real.

Posted by: carol lyn, sydney

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Pull your head in Suzie D. Kaleb Dib was a stupid kid whom , I'm sorry , but got what he deserved ... Have you ever been held up by an armed Bandit and been threatened ?? thought not .. I do feel a little sorry for his family whom maybe tried to convince him that his poor choices in life could have dire consequences.. the only true religion is Karma ( what goes around comes around ) in this case its seems as though for once, the right side has been the victor

Posted by: JJ BB, Sydney

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Sorry Suzie - I also think he was a stupid kid - does he deserve to die - NO. But you go to rob somewhere with a weapon, thats the risk you take. I have no doubt that this was a "clean shoot" - i feel sorry for the kids family, i feel sorry for the guard who has to live with this for the rest of his life, but i do not feel sorry for this kid. Chris - have you seen his rap sheet? Can you inform us of what prior convictions were on it....lets not slam a judge until we see the kids record!

Posted by: Concerned Liberal, Minto

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

With all due respect, the writer of this article is completely devoid of any understanding of the concept of sentencing. I am surprised you dont write for the Daily Telegraph, as they love sensationalists like yourself who comment on matters with minimal or no understanding of the underlying facts. In particular this comment beggars belief "Now why wasn’t he charged with an attempted hold-up? Because you don’t walk along the street and give the nearest security guards a smack in the mouth"..

Posted by: Joseph Johnson, Sydney

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Chris Smith yet again shows what a poor human being he is.According to other media outlets his only convictions were traffic matters and an assault on bouncers at a pub .It is very disingenous to call that a rap sheet.How many blokes his age have got into a blue with bouncers and gone before a court as a first offender and been fined.I 'd suggest just about everyone .The gaols would be full if we followed Smith.Courts work on evidence not on hearsay from POONSY radio people like Smith.

Posted by: Lance Freestone, Cambridge Park

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

for sure he wont be robbing again

Posted by: billy scrivens, cardiff

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Joseph, he obviously had a history of breaking the law. The point I believe Chris is trying to make is, had he been dealt with for previous offences, he may still be alive today. " do you really think that these iced-up, aggressive kids - and that’s what they are - who are prepared to risk lives in a robbery, will really be put off by that approach? This was Chris's question, and in my opinion the judiciary is to lenient in many cases. Chris is right, a slap on the wrist wont deter them.

Posted by: susan lowe, gippsland

Thursday, 21 August 2008

The first question they ask potential women jurors during the selection process is "are you Pakistan Susan from Gippsland"so they can be disqualified.The next intelligent thing you write will be your first."he obviously had a history of breaking the law". You woulnd't know and neither do I .Courts deal with evidence and facts and not the gibber from the 2GB justice mob.All criminals were cleanskins at some point so do you think we should predict the future and gaol every first offender?

Posted by: Lance Freestone, Cambridge Park

Friday, 22 August 2008

Hey Lance - you give away yourself "cleanskins" is a specific term used by specific people - i thought it was unusual you and I agreeing on this issue.

Posted by: Concerned Liberal, Minto

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Um excuse me! Kaled is my cousin, he was a good man, not the type that robbed, he probably got into peer pressure, but anyways, I understand that the security guard did it for self-defence, but he doesnt have to shoot him right in the chest, farr outtt..shoot his eet/leg something!

Posted by: Imhis cousin, Sydney

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Its always "someone else's fault". Run around with guns and (in the end) you'll get hurt. It's nobody's fault except the mug that was conducting an armed hold up. Sorry, no sympathy. My suggestion - don't try and take what's not yours and you won't get into trouble.

Posted by: Geoff Bolton, Lane Cove

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Law enforcement and military are taught to aim at the chest/Torso as it provides the largest target. Unlike in the movies, Pistols are rather inacurate over distance. Aiming for limbs is somewhat a gamble and may find innocent caualties.

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Only certain people are permitted by law to carry guns, he wasnt one, armed with a weapon for the purpose to rob, he didnt have any rights and why should honest people have to make justify their actions in protecting their own lives and the lives and property of others, filth like that eventually get what they deserve , our judicial system should follow the US in their sentencing when they are caught and give them what they deserve.. This time we dont have to support that rubbish in jail

Posted by: R Averillo, Tamworth

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

It is too easy for crims to get firearms. So that if security were not allowed them, security would be killed by crims with guns. For that reason, security require side arms that they can use. Nothing has happened recently that suggests to me that security should not be armed. However, the judiciary should be competent too, if we are to be safe. There is evidence that the ALP appointed judiciary are not up to scratch when it comes to maintaining law and order.

Posted by: Happy Fun Ball, Carramar/Sydney

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

To anyone that wants to point a gun at me....if I have a gun in my hand and I have the opportunity to pull the trigger first...I WILL.....don't care how many of your mates think that you are a GOOD GUY.....

Posted by: keith rowland, tweed heads

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

My sympathies lie with the security guard who has to live with the knowledge that he took another man's life, in self defence. Courts are too lenient with first and repeat offenders, this often ends up with worse outcomes. If you are going to carry a loaded gun to a robbery, don't expect not to get shot. If more crooks ended up being killed or maimed during a holdup, then maybe others would think twice about becoming involved, peer pressure or not!

Posted by: Paul Hussey, Penrith

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

The bandits had guns, so ummm, I think the bandit who got shot doesn't deserve sympathy. The guards were the victims.

Posted by: Andy Robbins, Sydney

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Lance, you keep jibbering on about Pakistan a post I made weeks ago which you did not seem to have enough common sense to understand,just as you dont seem to understand my previous post here. He went with a gun and balaclava on to rob, even someone with no common sense can surely understand that.2GB isnt the only media outlet broadcasting this unfortunate young mans brushes with the law. So it isnt to hard for you Lance, maybe, sadly, had the law dealt with him sooner, he might be alive today

Posted by: susan lowe, gippsland

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Seeing you love to single me out for you rantings Lance, I make the point that you seem to always have your own version of what others comments mean. To many on here put their own twisted slants on others posts, your one of them .Next time you mention my name, make sure you get it right, I DID NOT SAY HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN JAILED IN ANY COMMENT I MADE HERE. I suggested , if he had previous dealings with the law, maybe his death could have been prevented.Now get off my case foolish man.

Posted by: susan lowe, gippsland

 

Friday, 22 August 2008

Minto "cleanskins" means nothing to me. In the context of the bloggers post i can only suggest it is term used for anyone who hasnt committed a crime. If I am correct, then I am a cleanskin, something i dont apologise for.The blogger however needs to learn not to twist others words. Surely anyone with any "nouse" shouldnt find it to hard to understand that sometimes wrist slapping doesnt deter.He was a grown man of 25 yrs, and an ARMED ROBBER. Am I to believe he was a "cleanskin" until this ?

Posted by: susan lowe, gippsland

 

Friday, 22 August 2008

No sympathy for the kid, he was a little mongrel. Why should a guard be expected to try to preserve his life. His parents should be made to pay for the bullet and all other costs associated with his behavior. And his mates? who dumped him at the hospital and ran like cowards instead of looking after him need to be sent to jail for a long time, they are responsible for his death and should be charged with it. It's worse than stupid and his parents deserve no sympathy IMO - send them the bill.

Posted by: Graeme Henderson, Darling Downs

 

Friday, 22 August 2008

I really hate to do this Graeme...but bugger me...I agree with you on this one....

Posted by: keith rowland, tweed heads

 

Sunday, 24 August 2008

Yeah, i got to agree with Geoff Bolton, he tried to commit a crime and paid dearly, it would of been a different uproar if the security guard was shot, I prefer this outcome.

Posted by: Dave Lang, Burrum Heads

 

Sunday, 24 August 2008

um, excuse me, your cousin was committing an armed robbery, and you expect the guards to shoot him in the leg? Look at it from the victims point of view (for once): the guards don't know if the armed robber has the intent to shoot to kill, some robbers get what they want and still shoot their victims. It's simple: if you don't want to get shot then don't commit crimes armed with a gun, being killed is the risk you take. As usual no respect for the police or the law before and after the crime

Posted by: rick west, sydney

 

Sunday, 24 August 2008

Well said, Rick! They held up an ARMED guard! What did they think they're armed with? A water pistol? Problem is, these thugs think the guard won't really shoot for fear of persecution from civil libertarians that bow to the thugs' families who have no respect for law or human life if they are not a relative! We need to stop bowing and stand up for the lives of the innocent - in this case, the guard!

Posted by: Kate T, Sydney

 

Tuesday, 26 August 2008

I would have given the guard a full 10/10 if he got all 3.

Posted by: Aaron R, Doonside

Tuesday, 26 August 2008

well said Aaron... we should buy you a beer for that one. Maybe he should be put into the London 2012 games for shooting. Seems he has a fiarly good aim!

Posted by: Fan of Aaron, Sydney

 
 

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