Macquarie Network ::: 2GB | 2CH | LIVENEWS | STREET CORNER | RUGBYLEAGUELIVE | WHAT CAREER | AMAZING AUSTRALIANS :::
Tuesday, 02 December 2008

Kevin who? US diplomat labels Australia's leadership irrelevant

19/09/2008 7:54:00 PM.  | 

A US diplomat has said it never much matters who leads Australia, as they will always be limited to reacting to whatever America does next.

Australia's relationship with China could be affected by the US election results,
Former Clinton government official Derek Shearer diplomat says.

Shearer said Republican candidate John McCain would be more forceful with China, while a Barack Obama Democrat administration was likely to be less confrontational.

Now visiting Australia on a US state department tour, the former US Ambassador to Finland, Clinton administration official and adviser to Hillary Clinton, said he expected tough foreign diplomacy from McCain.

"McCain has said that he'll try and throw Russia out of the G8 organisation because of what they did in Georgia, they're going to stand up to the rise of the Chinese military, they're going to stay in Iraq until victory, whatever that means, so in foreign policy it will be a kind of revived, muscular version of Bush foreign policy," he said.

"If Obama's elected ... in foreign policy he will bring back in the Clinton professionals, who are less confrontational, stress diplomacy, stress working with multi-lateral institutions."

Mr Shearer said Australia's relationship with China could be compromised if a new US government took a hardline stance.

"Because one of Australia's big relationships, economically and diplomatically is with China it would be very hard for Australia if the US and China got into a military confrontation," Mr Shearer said.

"Under the ANZUS treaty, Australia would actually be obligated to go to war with us. So the last thing Australia would want is for us to get hostile with China."

But there were also opportunities, he said, as Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's knowledge of China may help influence America.

However, Mr Shearer said Australian politics realistically had very little impact in America.

"Well to be frank about it, most Americans, like 99 per cent, have no idea there's a new government in Australia," Mr Shearer said.

According to Mr Shearer, it never much matters who leads Australia, as their influence will always be limited to reacting to whatever America does next.

"I think the question for the Rudd government, for any government in Australia is, will a new American government do things in the world, either these economic issues or foreign policy, that will affect Australia."

In terms of Iraq, he said, Americans don't care that Mr Rudd withdrew troops, in fact most don't even know former prime minister John Howard sent them there.

And with America this week hit by a finance market meltdown, Mr Shearer said Australia's banks may not be "light years" away from a similar crisis.

"I think the answer is right now they're in good shape, but they could be affected by the continuation of this crisis, because everyone's interconnected globally."

COMMENTS

Friday, 19 September 2008

Of cours 99 per cent of Yanks don't know there is a new Aussie government, 99.9 per cent of Yanks don't know anything that's happening outside the US, and that's just how the American Gov. likes it!!

Posted by: Hamish Dundee, Sydney

 

Friday, 19 September 2008

Surely he isnt telling us something we didnt already know. This is exactly why Mr Rudd should be staying home and taking care of domestic issues instead of trying to convince us he is going to be talking with US Regulators about the financial crisis. I think Mr Shearer is telling us we may have to choose a side if (in his opinion) Mr McCain becomes President. Hmmmm the US or China...lets guess who Mr Rudd would prefer. Of course this is a former Democrats view.

Posted by: susan lawe, gippsland

 

Friday, 19 September 2008

You've been told KRudd. America doesn't want you there. America hasn't forgotten your anti-American stance before you got into Govt. Now that your PM and are desperate to make world name for yourself - its payback time from the yanks. Did you think Bush would forget? Sucked in. Its evident, the Americans don't like you. And you've done us a great diservice in the process.

Posted by: Patricia S, Sydney

Friday, 19 September 2008

Fully agree. Krudd Duddis trying to set himself up as a worldly 'know all' authoritative figure, but he is definately not a leader's bootlace, nor is he a statesman. It won't be long and he'll be grovelling to America, especially when problems break out north of us. Just watch him. I trust and feel sure that the USA will tell him where to get off - it is well known in US political and executive government circles there that they are a wake up to him - just like the Australian population is.

Posted by: tony Obrian, Woy Woy

Friday, 19 September 2008

Did you read the article Pat? Or is that unnecessary given your encyclopaedic knowledge of US politics? The ex-ambassador says that 99% of people wouldn't know (or proabably care) that we had an election. This is not the same as saying that Rudd is disliked. It speaks volumes about a) Howard's inflated idea of his own importance and impact on US political life, as apparently no-one even noticed he was turfed, and b) lack of interest or knowledge in the US polity about things external to the US.

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Saturday, 20 September 2008

Darren carrow, brisbane, you have to learn to read between the lines some times. They don’t hate Rudd, they just see him as an opportunist, false and a dud. Frankly I don’t like Rudd and his gov either. He’s just seen as a glorified car sales man, sell sell sell him self, a lemon. Howard seems to be taken a lot more seriously world wide not only by the US. Same will be for Costello and Turnbull This is the difference a lot of people are seeing.

Posted by: Bart R, Sydney

Saturday, 20 September 2008

Bart, I must say that is a novel way of analysing information. Don't worry about what something actually says, even if it unambiguously states a position of indifference, rather than animosity. Read between the lines to find the angle which supports your skewed worldview, adn then back yourself up with some vague appeal to 'lots of people' out there somewhere who share your point of view. Then hunker down in your chosen trench and lob grenades instead of discussing the issues.

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

Darren I read the article, and I also realise Fact. KRudd has not been invited to the US, Howard was on many ocassions, the fact is if America says jump, The milky bar kid with the pig by his side will jump. Think about that one for a while darren and stop stealing other identities here you loser. Its rather evident even to those with a lower iq than you, that KRudd has not been on a US trip and hasn't been feted as a Prime Minister should.

Posted by: Patricia S, Sydney

 

Friday, 19 September 2008

Refreshing after the desperate crawling of Little Johnie after Bush. "Man of steel' etc was simply stomach turning. We can be much more than the US's deputy sheriff.

Posted by: Mick S, Central Coast

Friday, 19 September 2008

Mick you are a true idiot who has no clue about world politics. Australia needs the US more than the other way around. Under little Johnny we mean't something, under KRudd we are going to become a laughing stock. Whether you like it or not, and unless you are Iran everyone kisses American ass to get ahead, if you don't, you squaler into 3rd world status. Get it now you moron?

Posted by: Patricia S, Sydney

Saturday, 20 September 2008

Patricia, you may not have a problem 'kissing american ass to get ahead', but I personally would prefer to adopt a more diginified position.

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Saturday, 27 September 2008

if ''we are not important to america 'why would they defend us in a war? we need a nuclear deterrant. then we need not depend on anyone.

Posted by: trevor crook, wiley pk

 

Friday, 19 September 2008

Perhaps China's serf's would suit you better Mick. Rather ally with the US than China anyday...but then I am sure you dont mind Mr Rudd crawling after an unelected Communist leader. Spruce him up however you like, Mr Hu is still a communist.

Posted by: susan lawe, gippsland

Saturday, 27 September 2008

i prefer a peaceful communist to an aggressive capitalist . anyone who knows anything about china knows its only communist in name . its free market capitalist in every respect, from its economics to its values.the chinese leader was also elected. not that that matters .with the state of things at the moment im quite sure any true communist is feeling rather good about themselves?

Posted by: trevor crook, wiley pk

 

Friday, 19 September 2008

Patricia S, so you believe Russia kisses American ass? Perhaps it's you who doesn't understand world politics - the US is a power in decline, hence their imperialist and undemocratic acts in world politics over recent years. Struggling to hold onto their position no different to a dictator you might say.

Posted by: Hamish Dundee, Sydney

Saturday, 20 September 2008

Hamish Dundee, Sydney, not a dictator, a world power which gives world balance. I hope you understand that. Yes they can be hard bastards but then we need that, again to maintain balance. If they were a soft touch they wouldn’t be so powerful and world power could be held by North Korea, Iran, you know the nice guys in the world who will look after your interests NOT. So my point is we need the US and we need them powerful as there are more ruthless undemocratic bastards in the world. Believe me

Posted by: Bart R, Sydney

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

Indeed I do, because America is throwing millions of dollars to stop Russia from collapsing. America does things in different ways, for example financing its own gas pipeline through Europe to stop the Russians from blackmailing other nations. I'm educated ma'dear, but the fact that you had to ask that question - shows you're not.

Posted by: Patricia S, Sydney

 

Saturday, 20 September 2008

Hamish who says the US is a power in decline ? Could it be your Socialist self . Undemocratic acts ? by whose standard, the UN ?.Like after they waited for those 17 resolutions, like how Mugabe is still in power, wow the UN told him good didnt they .dammm I hope we are never attacked, by the time the UN decide to help us all 21 mill of us will be done for. Of course they will democratically consider helping us,they might even ask their Human Rights members, last time I looked Mugabe & Hu are 2

Posted by: susan lawe, gippsland

 

Saturday, 20 September 2008

My my, the media used to have us believe that Mr Howard , the "man of steel"was the answer to solve all of Americas woes. Now he's just a rusted out old relic-- Rudd will go the same way, boosted by a very large ego & a very small brain, all he does now is flit around the world squawking, look at me- I'm a prime minister. The court jester of the world-- how pathetic????

Posted by: Alex Uren, Luddenham

 

Saturday, 20 September 2008

Talk about making a person laugh! Krudd, going to the States to learn about the finance crunch ? Why bother, it's not like he can do anything about it. he should actually try staying home for more than a month and set up something to protect us. Bart R, what has IRAN done to anyone? Apart from De-Colonising itself twice, it has Not attacked any nation in the last 300 yrs. Dont get fooled by all the propaganda out there buddy. All Iran want is some slack and the right to provide elec to its peopl

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

Saturday, 20 September 2008

It’s kind of scary you believe that about Iran. I am not fooled, just look at the facts, forget propaganda, just look at the facts, and take the Iran threats seriously. It’s amasing considering what has happened in New York, Bali and Madrid you can be so laid back and gullible about such threats.

Posted by: Bart R, Sydney

Saturday, 20 September 2008

Bart, the facts you speak of are from the States propaganda machine. Yes Iran is weaponising itself, not with Nuclear arms though. They have signed the NPT as far as nuclear is concerned. Both Israel and the USA refuse to sign. Israel has a huge nuclear arsenal, Mostly pointed at Iran. The last Colonial ruler of IRAN was the USA. Perhaps Irans vitriolic outlook of the USA would have been different if they didnt rip the country off so bad? 10 yrs of oil left Bart, they need elec. (cont)

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

Saturday, 20 September 2008

(cont). The USA have them embargo'd and shut off from the world. This serves nothing but to make them comply to the USA wishes of contracts for Nuclear. ALL western nations whioich have gone in to develope industry in IRAN have been chased away by American threat..The facts you speak of are countered by many Bart. remember the lies that were WMD? Your aware the nerve gases used by Saddam were from the States? Yet a country that has been peacefull for 300 yrs is a threat? research BART. :)

Posted by: Nick Again, maryborough

Saturday, 20 September 2008

USA wants to implement A charter. H. con 362 to the Un. Its intended to stop Iran from Privitisation Bart. This prevents iranian Assests being transferred to USA's Economic Competition.eg.China/Russia/E.U. and Japan. These countries have Footing already which is why washington wants world wide sanctions. If given they paralize trade/investment and monetry flows. Funny eh, H con 362 will kill the economic interestsd of USA's Allies. Eg the same NATO Nations that Planning the war in IRAN. Nice.

Posted by: Nick Again, maryborough

Sunday, 21 September 2008

Nick Again, Maryborough, very selective one sided information you lay out there mate. Very selective. That’s ok; unfortunately people like you can’t see past your nose and past the one sided BS. You have your self fooled.

Posted by: Bart R, Sydney

Saturday, 27 September 2008

'' forget the propaganda?' how can we thats all there is!

Posted by: trrevor crook, wiley pk

 

Saturday, 20 September 2008

He's so wrong in any case. Otherwise, He wouldn't be sent here! USA takes a great deal of time and effort with our pollitics, It matters a lot to them waht happens here. Eg. Pine gap, Sub Comms etc. They have a great deal of vested interest. They just Dont care for the MILKY BAR KID!. cant say I blame em, for once I'm on the Yanks side.I dont care for him either.

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

 

Saturday, 20 September 2008

From a country that talks about putting lipstick on a pig, what would they do to our Miss Piggy, Krudd better leave her at home for his next trip to the states:

Posted by: Kermit Frog,

Saturday, 20 September 2008

He Heh...I dont think our Piggy wants to leave the trough! What with her head firmly in the swill, i think no amount of corn would get her away. Besides, Someone with BALLS has to be running the show seeing as KRUDD is intent on flying the coup each time something needs to be nutted out.

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

Miss Piggy? I thought Amanda Vanstone had left parliament??? Nick, your "special" bus is waiting for you outside.

Posted by: Mal Turdball, Maryborough (next door to Nick)

 

Wednesday, 24 September 2008

Poo Poo pooo, kevin rudd is gayy, jonny needs to come back innn not happy jannnn

Posted by: rebecca lillypop, adelaide

 

Thursday, 09 October 2008

Learned alot from this thread. But, let me tell you from this side. Americans in general are interested in the well-being of Australians and Australia. Just because someone says you fall into China's so-called "sphere of influence" that does not mean we will not stand by you. This notion that the USA and China would get into it is balogna. China would do nothing to jeopardize the well-being of it's biggest trading partner. Practically everything in my country is made in China, you know!!!

Posted by: Pithy Opiner, Stockton, California

 
 

YOUR SAY