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Tuesday, 02 December 2008

John Howard felt "disdain and horror" after UN address

29/09/2008 12:38:00 PM.  | AAP
Former Australian prime minister John Howard says he felt "disdain and horror" following Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's anti-Semitic outbursts at the United Nations last week.

In a speech to the UN General Assembly, Ahmadinejad told world leaders Israel was "on a definite slope to collapse and there is no way for it to get out of the cesspool created by itself and its supporters".

Ahmadinejad has previously called for Israel to be wiped off the map.

"No other leader in the world comes within a bull's roar of using the sort of language that has been used by Ahmadinejad to talk of the people of Israel," Howard said at a ceremony in Los Angeles today.

Howard was awarded the Winston S Churchill Medal of Freedom at the event organised by the American Freedom Alliance, an LA-based think tank, for having been a steadfast ally of the US during his 11 years as prime minister.

The ceremony also marked the 70th anniversary of the ill-fated Munich Agreement, signed by the leaders of Britain, France and Italy to appease German dictator Adolf Hitler prior to World War II.

Howard related the attempted "appeasement" of Hitler to the West's modern day battle with "Islamic fascism".

"The values at stake are just as important now as what they were then," Howard told the audience, which included senior members of the LA Jewish community and the French, German and Czech Republic LA consuls-general.

The former prime minister, who lost last November's federal election amid growing discontent with policies such as his support for the US in Iraq, said leaders often had to make decisions that may not be appreciated at the time.

"Sometimes the wisdom of what you do now is not understood by nations until years and years have elapsed," Howard said.

"The lessons of Munich today are the lessons that, sometimes, to take an unpopular stand which is costly in the short term and very unpopular in the short term, is needed in order to prevent a much greater catastrophe in the longer term."

COMMENTS

Monday, 29 September 2008

Really Howard !!! You shouldnt be horrified, after all most of the members of the UN are dictators..even Mugabe is still invited to sit and speak at the UN, and his country is now on the brink of a humanitarian disaster.Those leading the UN wine and dine the likes of Ahmadinejad and Mugabe, while they preach anti American and anti semetic views. At least Howard had the guts to call it for what it is.Appeasement ! UN is a paper tiger,preaches to the free democracies while appeasing the dictators

Posted by: susan lawe, gippsland

Monday, 29 September 2008

i think to be critical of any country be it america, israel or anywhere is legitimate if its aimed at those countries goverments. looking back into history america overthrew irans democtratically elected leadership in 1953 cos they were going to nationalise the oil. the americans also helped saddam in his war with iran, add to this recent threats and i can understand the friction.

Posted by: trevor crook, wiley pk

Monday, 29 September 2008

actually, most permanent members of the security council are democracies. america, the uk and france. if australia or venusuala are accepted, the council will definitely be dominated by democracies and not dictatorships

Posted by: trevor crook, wiley pk

 

Monday, 29 September 2008

You've got to shake your head with this headline. At first glance I thought Howard was reacting to RUDD'S UN address...

Posted by: A Narchy, The Hills

Monday, 29 September 2008

Ahmadinejad speech to the UN was a hate filled insane attack against Jews and Israel. You can hear it, look it up and listen....and not one objection from the UN....so the US backs Israel, they certainly need an ally considering the whole of the middle east would prefer Israel didnt exist.....but I guess thats ok by UN standards, and some here I see.

Posted by: susan lawe, gippsland

Monday, 29 September 2008

actually some religious jews think that israel shouldnt exist. according to their teaching jews are supposed to live in exile until their prophet returns. the main thing is that israel''does'' exist and we need to think on those terms for any peace to be realised

Posted by: trevor crook, wiley pk

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

Susan, Ofen what Iran says is translated incorrectly because of the Farsi- english difference. Try reading Michel Chossudovsky's IRAN: War or Privatization. You may get a better insight to what is happening there, the political plays going on in the whole region begins to fall in place. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9501 this link will give you a prelude of the book.

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

Err, Trev: there's a purpose for punctuation. It's not a rule for rule's sake. It would make what you say understandable.

Posted by: Ardwych X,

 

Monday, 29 September 2008

the whole of the middle east would prefer to live in peace. this can be achieved through a two state solution

Posted by: trevor crook, wiley pk

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

Yes lets create a brand new state on what foundation exactly Trevor from Wiley Park? There was never a land called Palestine. Its another excuse for more land that they can ruin. Those that call themselves Palestinians were more than likely from Syria or Lebanese. Until these people realise their governments are ruining their future nothing will change, there will never be peace for Israel. And I guess 9/11 was lost in interpretation too?

Posted by: Patricia S, Sydney

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

You are truly amazing Pat, from now on I will call you Pooh, a bear of very little brain. There was not a State called Israel before the UK decided to carve it out of some of their Imperialist lands stolen from the Palestinians, amongst others. Until the US stops writing Israel a blank cheque for military expenditure, there will be no peace whatsoever in the Middle East.

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Wednesday, 01 October 2008

Patrica S. , 9/11 wasnt lost in translation. translation lost 9/11. Bush was quoted as saying" dont go believing outrageous Conspiracy theories". So who's do you believe? His and Howards rant about Terrorists or the thousands of Architects who said it was dropped by Placed explosives? maybe the Steel analysists who said the Planes Fuel couldnt even get HOT enough to Melt the steel? Maybe its FEMA whjo really let the cat out of the bag eh when they Said they found traces of Thermate there?

Posted by: Nick Again, maryborough

 

Monday, 29 September 2008

Howard locked kids & women up behind razor wire in inhospitable areas like Nauru. He is the last one to deserve a 'freedom' medal!'

Posted by: Thomas Smit, Unley

 

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

I'm sure Howard had a good reason for locking then up behind razor wire in Nauru. I hope they learned their lesson.

Posted by: Pithy Opiner, Stockton, California

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

Your opinions are less pithy than they are uninformed. Howard's reason for locking people up behind razor wire was to demonise a small group of vicitms, play the race card, blow the dog whistle to attract the attention of the racist right, and get a few votes so he could satisfy Hyacynth's desire for defacto power. A disgraceful episode in Australian history, and lesson he learned from Menzies attempt to criminalise the ACP.

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

Eh Darren, you forgot one fact. THESE PEOPLE TRIED TO ENTER ILLEGALLY! Its about following the law, not allowing it to be broken if you aren't white.. You probably worship on your knees at the alter of Whitlam, just like that other idiot from Darling Downs. These people had NOT been granted permission to enter our country.

Posted by: Patricia S, Sydney

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

I've tried in previous posts to explain to people who have bought this line about 'illegal' entry. The UN treaty with respect to refugees was created in response to the problem of people who did not have the ability to make the arrangements and enter through what that Nazgul Rudoock calls 'orderly channels'. It is a fiction that anyone has tried to enter Australia illegally to claim refugee status here, and inconsistent with our treaty obligations.

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

Darren, its not as simple as that and you know, they have to be genuine refugees, sadly most of them are not. I do not define a refugee as someone who has enough money to pay an idiot to get on a boat and sail here. Indonesians and the Chinese are not refugees imo. Regardless of what the UN cares, they may like to focus on countries like Italy who send them back and not even let them disembark.

Posted by: Patricia S, Sydney

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

Patricia, as you are so fond of saying: go and educate yourself. The Refugee Convention provides that what Italy is doing, refouling, is against international law. Go and read it and come back and we'll talk some more.The overwhelming mjority of the people Howard, Ruddock and Vanstone illegally locked up were found to have valid refugee claims and are living in Australia today. Your opinion about Indonesian and Chinese people being refugees or not is just that, your uneducated opinion.

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

Duh Dazza! That is not the point. Do you work for the UN? What are you going to do about it? The UN itself has violated international law itself. And what? indignation? I was simply pointing out what you can't seem to grasp, the UN has a definition of what a refugee is. And most trying to come here DO NOT meet those definitions. They want a free boat ride into the land of milk and honey. Meanwhile the honest ones are kept waiting. DUH! Get it now?

Posted by: Patricia S, Sydney

 

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

Susan, The five permanent members of the United Nations are the U.S, England, France, Russia and China. These nations alone account for more then 85% of the illicit arms trade to third world nations.

Posted by: Sean Ambrose, Helensburgh

 

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

Ahmadinejad has previously called for Israel to be wiped off the map. no he didnt.. christ you people will publish any bullsh*t

Posted by: joe blow, whatever

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

Ahmadinejad has actually called for Israel to be wiped out: http://www.livenews.com.au/articles/2008/09/10/Iran_responds_to_Israeli_threats_to_kidnap_Ahmadinejad http://www.livenews.com.au/articles/2008/05/14/Rudd_investigating_legal_fight_against_Iranian_president

Posted by: fred jones, sydney

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

Thanks Nick, Im looking it over now. I have no problem with Iran itself, I do however have a problem with this lunatic speaking as he did at the UN, and being allowed to...I have heard others speak at the UN on Daffar, and they have had their speeches banned because they dare to ask the UN why they dont do something....this lunatic gets up and no one makes a peep...Iran as a country has made no threat to anyone....this man however, is insane.

Posted by: susan lawe, gippsland

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

"this man however, is insane." so are you bitch!

Posted by: stupad lawe, gimpsland

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

Joe schmo, you are an idiot. Read a paper, engulf yourself in an eduction in foriegn affairs then should you comment.

Posted by: Patricia S, Sydney

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

the exact translation of what ahmadinajad said [ he was quoting someone and not talking directly about israel .''like communism and fascism the imam said the occupation regime over jerusalemmust be erased from the page of time '' it was not a direct threat to wipe israel of the map.he seems to be talking of the government not the israeli people . again you can disagree with ahmadinajad but he is just expressing an opinion.

Posted by: trevor crook, wiley pk

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

Trevor thankyou. finally someone who is researching outside of the propagandist mainline. Susan, my pleasure. Hope you find MUCH to peruse whilst there. For our Monitors of this site...can u please refrain from allowing the intelgent remarks like those made by." Stupad lawe ". The Hightened IQ on show is daunting. Obviously this ones Talent is wasted here, better suited to Question time in Parliment. Susan you seem to Attract the Geniuses girl, your sooo luicky. :)

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

 

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

Nice stupad, your a coward, to cowardly to post in your real name...Soon Ill call you out, post in your real name instead of being all sweet in one name and a cowardly moron in your other other id's. At least I use my name and not a gaggle of stupAd childish names to act like the name calling child you are. Grow up coward.

Posted by: susan lawe, gippsland

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

I do dont I Nick lol : )) Seems the moderator has no problem with someone using pseudonyms to attack me personally...but, oh well, it means I must be getting under their skin, at least I know they are reading my comments. Thing is I have a fair idea who it is..not hard to work out lol...the sites you gave me are great Nick, heaps to read and very interesting. thanks again : ))

Posted by: susan lawe, gippsland

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

Was a pleasure Susan. The best thing is that the Authors there are All majored and involved with UNI's all over the place. The proffessors dont hold back eh. Hopefully some others who frequent here will have seen it and looked in too. ? Wonder if Good old Tim has had a gander if unaware of its' existence?

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

do what u want, ure still as stupid as can be. oh and thanks for looking out for me & reading this, eat my faeces u BSE cow

Posted by: dead zemanak, postthis?

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

do what u want, but what have u been doing for the last 8+ hours on the pc?

Posted by: dead zemanak, werribee

 

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

Susan, please ignore the animal displaying the signs of rabies, don't repond.

Posted by: Rob Banks, Canberra

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

Ok Rob, now I know its rabid I shall :)) Nick, some people read things authored by anyone on the net, and take it for gospel. I would like to think most would prefer reading articles of this standard written by people who actually KNOW what they are writing about. I would recommend the site to everyone, go take a gander.

Posted by: susan lawe, gippsland

 

Tuesday, 30 September 2008

"disdain and horror" is what I usually feel whenever John Howard's name is mentioned. I also thought giving him a "Freedom Award" was laughable until I realised it was from the American "Freedom Alliance" which means the yanks just gave their buddy an award for blindly following Bush and his oil-motivated anti-terrorist hysteria. LMAO If that's their interpretation of "freedom" they can keep it thanks. BTW Doesn't Howard look hilarious in that photo hee heeee Retirement has not been kind.

Posted by: Jacki Wright, Tassie

 

Tuesday, 30 September 2008