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Wednesday, 03 December 2008

Thousands rally against abortion

5/10/2008 6:29:00 PM.  | AAP
Thousands of pro-life supporters packed Melbourne's St Patrick's Cathedral today before rallying outside parliament in an emotive last stand against decriminalising abortion.

Two days before the Victorian upper house is due to debate new abortion laws, demonstrators made an impassioned plea to MPs to dump the bill, which would give women open access to abortion up to 24 weeks.

The protest came as Catholic Archbishop Denis Hart, in a rare presentation to the media, again vowed to defy the new laws by not forcing Catholic health care workers to comply with the reforms.

Under the legislation, doctors with a conscientious objection to abortion are required to refer a woman to someone with no such objection.

Doctors must also perform abortions in an emergency if necessary to save the woman's life.

"I would say that we can't perform and we can't refer ... we have nowhere to go, that is a firm irrevocable position and I believe it's the only position that people of conscience can hold," Archbishop Hart said.

"To put it plainly, the Catholic Church believes in life from womb to tomb."

More than 2,500 worshippers packed St Patrick's Cathedral for an Hour of Prayer anti-abortion service.

Archbishop Hart told the congregation the abortion bill was a "strident challenge" to fundamental religious beliefs and made a mockery of human rights and equal opportunity.

He said every person from conception deserved the protection of the law and described women with unwanted pregnancies as the "principal victims of the new culture of death".

Thousands of people later converged on the steps of state parliament for a rally of speeches, song and prayer.

Spring Street was closed for more than an hour as Christians, including young children, waved placards that read "abortion is murder".

Matthew Prince, a father of two, held a 14-day vigil on the steps of parliament and wept as he spoke about how his "heart broke" learning about the abortion reforms.

"What this bill is doing is taking the right to live from the unborn child and it eliminates any hope a father may have to protect his child."

Pastor Dale Stephenson from Crossway Baptist Church said the laws were "morally repugnant".

"If this law is passed it will be illegal to dock the tail of a puppy but legal to kill a fully formed baby."

The rally also heard from an abortion counsellor about the profound effect terminating a child had on women and from a disabled woman about the threat of not being born.

The upper house is set to debate the Abortion Law Reform Bill on Tuesday.

It was passed by the lower house without amendment last month.

COMMENTS

Sunday, 05 October 2008

and millions sit in their homes quietly and hope the pollies will not let some religious fundamentalist lunatics prevent them from rational progress.

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Sunday, 05 October 2008

Your comment does not help the situation. It does not help the baby inside the womb, that can fully live outside it's mother, without a problem. It is people like you who have no regard for human life when disconnected from the situation that started things like the holocaust and most world wars. Get back to the basics and stop being an fool.

Posted by: Chris R, werribee

Monday, 06 October 2008

If you read the actual bill you would know that it is in fact irrational. I am a feminist and a socialist and a nurse. I don't believe this bill will do ONE thing to enhance the lives of any Victorian, but will put in danger not only mothers who are pregnant but also nurses and doctors who want to do the right thing by both the mother and the baby.

Posted by: Sheryl Minns, Melbourne

Monday, 06 October 2008

darren carrow-It is not rational progress for some lunatic atheist fundamentalists to force people to be involved in something that they see as murder. The pro choice supporters can do what they think is right for them but their beliefs should not be forced on those that do not believe as they do. Choice should not be denied to the pro life supporters

Posted by: Desmond Harris, Beacon Hill

Monday, 06 October 2008

Sorry Des old sock, can't see the bit in the story about the 'lunatic atheist fundamentalists'. All the noise was being made by the right to life crew by the looks. The overwhelming (and silent) majority stayed home, thinking that this non-issue has already been well and truly put to bed. Apart from the lunatic fringe, most people have evolved enough to realise that a woman's right to choose is more important than all this relgion-inspired, emotive babble.

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Monday, 06 October 2008

Sheryl, forcing women to have children they don't want won't enhance their lives either. And adoption has a sinister history of exploitation, which is why it is so unpopular today. This bill will be a relief, not a risk, to women with unwanted pregnancies. This is why doctors and nurses who object need to clearly identify themselves so that unhappily pregnant women CAN STAY AWAY FROM THEM. If you want to reduce abortion, then support comprehensive sex education and contraception research.

Posted by: anne fedoson, sydney

Tuesday, 07 October 2008

darren carrow-If the majority support the slaughter of the unborn then they are the fundamentalist rabble not the ones trying to save the innocents. Notice how Society changes the language when it wants to promote something unsavory-abortion is now referred to as a termination and advocates of the process want to be seen as 'pro choice' supporters. Men and Women do have a choice they can choose between condoms or the pill-they don't have to conceive and then use abortion as a birth control method.

Posted by: Desmond Harris, Beacon Hill

 

Sunday, 05 October 2008

Perhaps if these politicians were given some serious education about the processes of an Abortion, they wouldn't agree on the legalisation of it. I think the pastor has it in a nutshell, we cant dock a pups tail but can Murder an unborn? Perhaps this is a Capitalists thing. the part of their decree which despises the thought of welfare to anyone, because apart from their lines of thinking, I cant think of anyone else who wouldn't prefer these babies be born, even if its into STATE care.

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

Sunday, 05 October 2008

I could describe a partial birth abortion again if you wish, but I noticed last time I did, it made some here a little squeamish, to much for them...Nick your absolutely correct, cant dock a dogs tail but we can murder a baby in the second trimester who is fully formed. Not sure it is a capitalist thing though, it is the Labor Govt pushing it in Vc..legalised abortion is right I believe, in certain circumstances, but never in the second trimester unless there are issues with the Mothers health.

Posted by: susan lawe, gippsland

Sunday, 05 October 2008

One suspects that perhaps politicians understand more about abortion than priests do about pregnancy and childcare.

Posted by: Mick S, Central Coast

Sunday, 05 October 2008

Mick.S...Too true, however i reckon the Odd priest have caused the odd pregnancy and they have certainly detroyed more than a few Childhoods. However, the pointhey make on this issue is correct. Abortion should NOT be decriminalised. Susan,I'm aware of what takes place and No I dont need it described here. The Technique of using a looped garrot is rather apalling to say the least and baffles me as to why ANY doctor would consider to perform it in anything other than a life or death circumstance.

Posted by: Nick Again, maryborough

Sunday, 05 October 2008

I've seen pictures of a lady wearing Freeze dried feotuses for Earrings! the feotsus were collected from abortions( o/s).. I cant understand their callousness. Susan..the docking the tails..is from the article, not mine. Labor is as much capitalist in their Bi-partisan approach as anyone.( bail outs anyone). This practice should be reserved for the most serious of emergency or for cases of severe malformation/disorders.

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

Monday, 06 October 2008

Mick S,- Agree with you Mick politicians do know more about abortions-especially Labor politicians-because the keep on aborting our State and Commonwealth economies.

Posted by: Desmond Harris, Beacon Hill

 

Sunday, 05 October 2008

Darren i just want to say this to you.i think i understand where you are coming from but not all of us are religious nuts also 2others Did u know that @10weeks from conception YOU had perfectly formed hands? Did u know that this"foetus"as some people call an unborn child,can actually feel pain & that their heart starts to beat at 8 days old? Did u know that to kill a mother who is expecting a child & the child also dies this is called a double murder?Its the oppression of the weak by the strong!

Posted by: Anna schu, Geelong

Sunday, 05 October 2008

Partial Birth Abortion, an unborn is viable at 16 weeks, abortion at 20 weeks means the doctor partially births the child, head first, or torso first, half born, he then murders the child and then fully births it.Another method is to give the unborn child a lethal injection inside the mothers womb.Partial birth abortion often goes wrong and the child suffers.These children at the same gestation, are called premmie's in hospitals today and survive being born early.Partial Birth abortion is Murder

Posted by: susan lawe, gippsland

Sunday, 05 October 2008

I'm curious Anna from Geelong, what is the basis for your stance on abortion if not a religious belief?

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Sunday, 05 October 2008

Dan, Her stance is a logical one. These "foetuses" can feel and they have a heartbeat. And like she said in one section of the law killing such a thing is called murder while in the other one they're proposing to make it legal. These babies are Centimetres away from living without they're mother. Some of them can be born, in the same time as the abortion and start crying and kicking and everything else a baby does. So why are we sticking scissors up there and injecting saline in there?

Posted by: Chris R, werribee

Monday, 06 October 2008

Susan, that's awful, only outdone in it's horror by Ian Main's description. I think I'll go sit in a dark corner now and suck my thumb till I feel a bit better.

Posted by: Peter C, Sydney

 

Sunday, 05 October 2008

I do not agree with abortions especially in cases where it is simply because the pregnancy was an "accident" as it seems to be these days HOWEVER unfortunately in some cases it is necessary, if the child is not going to be able to live a full life due to disease, pain etc or if the mother has a high risk of death if she goes through with it then sometimes abortion is necessary but those are extreme cases and should be proved to be correct before the abortion goes through.

Posted by: Sam L, Sydney

 

Sunday, 05 October 2008

Great to see a lot of normal, decent people are still out there & prepared to spend their Sunday with family and friends standing up for what they believe in! A shameful legislation for Victoria, what kind of society legalizes killing under the name of 'choice'? So what happens when the kids that are born want to 'choose' a life without their parents....because you know they're an inconvenience....This Bill is a public and permanent embarassment.

Posted by: Kathleen Smith, Melbourne

 

Sunday, 05 October 2008

What kind of society are we living in when unborn children can be killed like this: The procedure is called “cranial decompression” (current Melbourne method) - also known as “partial-birth abortion”. In the published lecture of a Melbourne abortion practitioner, this method involves partly delivering the struggling baby by her legs, piercing her skull without any pain relief and evacuating the brain to ensure “no chance of delivering a live foetus”.

Posted by: Ian Main, Sandringham

Monday, 06 October 2008

The methods for earlier abortion used to be(?) a wire loop through a tube for dismemberment! Chopping up the poor little bugger so as it can be bled out or curat to remove. This has often gone wrong too. What kind of Idiot/heartless thing would stand and rally for this right? no doubt something that has some serious issues. something that could rant and rave for years about it too. MORONS do that!!

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

 

Monday, 06 October 2008

The Biggest filth to all this is that they want to give someone the right to decide if a baby is to live or die, yet they wont give up the right to decide to die..eg Euthanasia. typical isnt it. We can opt to murder our children who are yet to have their life , but not to pass up on living when we become a burden on society. yes our pollies have really got it going on. ALL abortion is MURDER, the feotus is aliving being from conception,this is what WE came from!

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

 

Monday, 06 October 2008

The way a nation cares for their children is a measuring stick for the well being of their whole society. Our children both present and future, will be our next leaders and policy makers. What message are we sending to them, and what foundation are we laying, if we do not communicate clearly that a life, from conception, is priceless and cannot be tampered with?

Posted by: Danny Major, Berwick

 

Monday, 06 October 2008

To the Upper House, Please do not pass this law that would kill premature babies. It is simply wrong. There are already enough laws to deal with emergency circumstances, and enough willing couples that would adopt and love an unwanted baby. If you pass this law, then you will have the blood on your own hands. There really is not much to this issue, it is so simple.

Posted by: Paul Miles, Hurstbridge

 

Monday, 06 October 2008

I think there are different issues here. Firstly many people are opposed to all abortion & euthanasia - the right to lifers (some religious some not). I support abortion & euthansasia...I think both should be legalised. HOWEVER they both need extremely tight regulations. It doesn't take a women 6mths to decide whether or not to have a baby - the limit should be 12-16 wks max. I was offered an abortion at 26wks on medical grounds - physically & emotionally the proceedure is barbaric on mum & bub!

Posted by: Concerned Liberal, Minto

 

Monday, 06 October 2008

CL. I know personally 3 women who had abortions, for one reason or another. Th eone thing that was commnly said by each" I wish i could go back in time". The trauma and emotional damage done is Huge. I think that these 3 will ALWAYS have a time when they'll dwell on this, unbidden it will still come to front of the mind at some stage or another. I can ony agree to the process if theres a REAL medical reason.I dont see the sense in legalising it when there is room for it in emergency now.

Posted by: Nick Again, maryborough

Monday, 06 October 2008

Nick - its a personal decision - I do believe in a womens choice (rightly or wrongly) but there must be limits. I know tonnes of women who've had abortions (pre 12wks) all feel bad, only one would change their decision. I don't regret refusing the abortion & chosing to go full-term to let my daughter die naturally, but I'm grateful for the choice. There are some people that believe my situation shouldn't be offered a late abortion at all becasue it wasn't my life at risk. The line is blurry...

Posted by: Concerned Liberal, Minto

Monday, 06 October 2008

Womans choice? Woman has MANY forms of contraceptives to choose from, as do man. Woman can say no? C.L.we rant on about Drug runners right to life over capital Punishment. They had a chance. the sick and infirm are refused the right to die with dignity. Yet we ask for the pollies to pass a law that takes the life of a baby because its NOT wanted? This is wrong. Yes, i know there are different reasons, medical etc. But in the case of it not being wanted, sorry, I could never agree.

Posted by: Nick again, maryborough

 

Monday, 06 October 2008

A society is judged on how it treats its young and its aged. Abortion should not be legalised, nor should doctors be forced to act against their conscience. This is not a religious issue necessarily. Rather it is whether the law is consistent in its protection of life. If this right becomes conditional we are left with individual decisions on the value of each of us to live in a community based on any number of subjective criteria. A dangerous place to be for any of us. AMDG

Posted by: Peter Gallagher, Brisbane

 

Monday, 06 October 2008

I don't remember anything from my time before I was born. So I would not regret if my mother aborted me. Well at least I would't know about all the suffering and misery religion caused on this earth. Even now they can't give up. The earth is round you know? Church should stay out of politics. We have elections for that and nobody asked you. You have caused enough harm and still are. So if I needed blood transfusion and the doctor was Jehova Witness, would he have a right to let me die? Idiots.

Posted by: Happy Stein, Earlwood

 

Monday, 06 October 2008

You guys make me laugh so much arguing about the church, blah blah blah! Everyone has a right to lobby and fight for what they believe in... I was at the rally yesturday, my stand was really was about the effects of abortion that you don't get to read about. So say, who cares about the baby! OK I get that, for some it does not matter, but time and time again I am caring and counselling both men and women who have choosen to take the abortion option and now reget it... how sad!!!!

Posted by: PAULINE TAYLOR, Traralgon

Monday, 06 October 2008

How much time do you spend 'caring and counselling' the people who go through with pregnancies when they don't want to because someone tells them it is immoral, and how much time would you have for the women, and their partners, who would be forced into backyard abortions and their consequences if you had your way, and the negelected and abused children who were born into circumstances where the parent/s were not emotionally capable financially of supporting them properly?

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Monday, 06 October 2008

Happy you dont seem to get that this bill is open slather abortion, up to 24 weeks, which is partial birth abortion (see above) .You base your reasoning on the fact that you dont remember before you were born, well t