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McCain gets heated, but misses vital chances in final debate

16/10/2008 3:08:00 PM.  | MCT

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John McCain brought his best - and also his worst - to his final debate with Barack Obama tonight, arguably his best and last chance to change the landscape of the US presidential campaign and overtake Obama.

Obama performed as he has throughout the fall campaign - calm, steady, clear spoken, and at times elusive. He refused, for example, to say where he might cut federal spending beyond the politics-as-usual promise to go through the budget page-by-page.

A more polished debater than he was at the start of his long campaign - after three debates with McCain and more than 20 with Democratic primary rivals - he made no gaffes and did nothing to jeopardise his standing as the frontrunner.

Mindful that it was up to him to force a change in the race, McCain was by turns warm, abrupt and testy in the high stakes 90-minute debate. If he scored with some voters, he also missed several opportunities to score badly needed points.

Showing his strength in a talk show format that he knows well, McCain displayed a warm side and worked to connect his proposals to ordinary voters or familiar family life.

To illustrate his charge that Obama would raise taxes and hurt a faltering economy, for example, McCain referred repeatedly to an Ohio plumber named Joe who recently confronted Obama on the campaign trail.
Talking about abortion and adoption, he noted that he and his wife, Cindy, are adoptive parents.

He also stressed his maverick nature that once endeared him to independent voters, a bloc he needs to win back from Obama, and distanced himself from President Bush.

"I am not President Bush," he said to Obama at one point. "If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run four years ago."

He might have added that he himself did run against Bush eight years ago - a remark that might have reminded independents of the maverick, against-the-establishment straight-talker that they used to like.

That, however, would have opened him to counter charges that he's since embraced most of Bush's polices and consistently voted with the president. It also could have paid dividends.

It was Obama, not McCain, who raised the fact that McCain has showed political independence, notably by opposing the torture of prisoners in the war on terror.

"I have disagreed with leaders of my own party," McCain said, adding his support for government action to curb global warming, the way the Iraq war was being waged and an HMO patients' bill of rights.

He then turned on Obama, who doesn't have a comparable record of standing up to his own party. "Your argument for standing up to the leadership of your party isn't very convincing," McCain said.

McCain, though, missed several steps, most notably when he finally got to confront Obama directly over his relationship with violent 1960s radical William Ayers and to the community group ACORN, which Republicans accuse of widespread voter registration fraud.

It was the chance that McCain apparently had been waiting for, an opportunity to tell an audience of millions of undecided voters in detail what he's been telling his supporters at boisterous rallies, that Obama's ties raise questions about his judgment.

Yet for all the buildup, McCain seemed ill at ease and poorly prepared to make his case to the television-watching jury.

"Yes, real quick. Mr. Ayers," McCain said, without telling viewers the man's full name. "I don't care about an old washed-up terrorist. But as Senator Clinton said in her debates with you, we need to know the full extent of that relationship."

McCain failed to explain the relationship, apparently assuming that undecided voters, like his supporters, know that Ayers was part of a group that planted bombs at the Pentagon and other government buildings to protest the Vietnam War.

It wasn't until later in the debate that McCain remembered to tell voters that Ayers has refused to apologise for the violence - then moved on quickly to the economy.

McCain also brushed past the story of the ACORN community action group, then risked undermining his own argument by hyperbolically raising the threat beyond what the evidence so far supports.

"We need to know the full extent of Senator Obama's relationship with ACORN, who is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy," McCain said.

At another point, McCain again appeared to introduce ideas without explaining them to debate watchers, apparently assuming that they knew the background.

When Obama criticised him for not stopping angry comments about Obama at his rallies such as "terrorist" or "kill him", McCain took it as an assault on all his supporters, including some never mentioned in the debate.

"Whenever you get a large rally of 10,000, 15,000, 20,000 people, you're going to have some fringe peoples," McCain said.

"But to somehow say that group of young women who said, 'Military wives for McCain' are somehow saying anything derogatory about you . . . and those veterans that wear those hats that say 'World War II, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq,' I'm not going to stand for people saying that the people that come to my rallies are anything but the most dedicated, patriotic men and women that are in this nation and they're great citizens."

COMMENTS

Thursday, 16 October 2008

Has McCain been using Botox, his face looks kinda weird, maybe it's embalming fluid?

Posted by: Graeme Henderson, Darling Downs

Thursday, 16 October 2008

What a totally irrelevant comment.

Posted by: Happy Little Gumnut, Sydney

Thursday, 16 October 2008

Actually its has been reported in American media that Joe Biden actually has had botox. McCain performed well in my opinion. Unfortunately, I think the Obama propoganda machine is going to ensure a win even going to desperate lengths to be embroiled in a voter fraud scandal. I will wear my Palin Power tshirt regardless.

Posted by: Patricia S, Sydney

 

Thursday, 16 October 2008

So Obama chooses not to explain his bad choices. I gather he will be the next president, but he doesn't deserve it. In Australia we are watching a clueless leader who was given a free pass into parliament. It will end in tears for the US, and set back the legitimate cause for racial equality. Obama has run a negative campaign because he has no policy. He stands for nothing. McCain has been a gentleman. Polls show the voters aren't watching McCain .. or Obama.

Posted by: Happy Fun Ball, Carramar/Sydney

Thursday, 16 October 2008

What a totally irrelevant comment-just ignore the ignornazis guys, they died along time ago & are merely whispering neocon ghosts-if they dont know now theyre too stupid to ever know

Posted by: sad wally golly, sydney

Thursday, 16 October 2008

Obama stands for "sharing the wealth" Patricia : )) We know what that means. I kind of get the feeling McCain doesnt really want this election anyway, think of the job ahead. What a deficit to have to rein in ..Obama and his supporters seem to think he has the goods. Either way it will be an intersting next 4 years in US politics I am sure. Country in recession, and a massive deficit...the next 18 months will begin to tell the real story.

Posted by: susan lawe, gippsland

Thursday, 16 October 2008

and i'm susan lawe reporting from ......gipppslaaand

Posted by: mike moore, perth

 

Thursday, 16 October 2008

Fun Ball and Patricia.....Are you kidding me. Sounds like too much red cordial to me. Its pretty obvious from your comments that you have not watched anything that's been going on. Obama is miles ahead of McCain in intelligence and policies. Personally I think a 72 year old leader can't possibly be in touch with today's developing society.

Posted by: Knuckle Heads, Parramatta

Thursday, 16 October 2008

Knuckleheads, I assume your looking at both of yours at the moment *snicker* So if we applied your logic you'd put a 15 year old in the role of Prime Minister? Give me a bloody break, McCain is a statesman, a gentleman and has had more life experience than you will ever probably have. Obama is a puppet who's strings are pulled by the Democratic machine, he stole the nomination from Hillary (whom I liked), he has NO EXPERIENCE and presenting a speech well doesn't equal intelligence.

Posted by: Patricia S, Sydney

Thursday, 16 October 2008

cont: Tell me which policies Obama has announced? LOL. The tax cuts for 95% of people? How does that equate knowing that 40% of Americans aren't employed? Google, the words exchanged between himself and Joe the Plumber - Then you'll get the idea. Frankly if I made millions, I wouldn't appreciate being told I have to share the fruits of my hard work with others unless I chose too - This is SOCIALISM my friend

Posted by: Patricia S, Sydney

Thursday, 16 October 2008

At least its an opinion mike moore. More than you offered. Totally dumb comment mike moore, typical of your name sake.

Posted by: susan lawe, gippsland

Thursday, 16 October 2008

Socialism eh? Hmm lets look at that abit. the Capitalism we have all gotten so used to is seeing your wealth being redistributed as we all sit and watch. Yep. just perfect isnt it? Considering we have had a crack at Socialism, I can see where you speak with " experience" here. At least under Socialism the wealth would be split closer to even Patrica, as it is now, less than 10% are cleaning up. Seeing as you LOVE to GOOGLE, try Googling " Worgl". " Alternative Money and Economics".

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

Thursday, 16 October 2008

obama doesnt need propaganda to win . he has the reality of the 8 year neocon disaster to work with.he doesnt really have to do anything to be the next president .

Posted by: trevor crook, wiley pk

Thursday, 16 October 2008

if life experience is essential for being president maybe the republicans should have picked someone ''older'? age is irrelevant as long as you have the ability . einstein was a young man when he thought of relativity.as for mccain being a ''gentleman' remember he did leave his wife 28 years ago for a younger woman.not a very gentlemanly thing to do.

Posted by: trevor crook, wiley pk

 

Thursday, 16 October 2008

im just so glad theres people out there willing to give their time just to tell us what they think is relevant or not, gotta love the slow ones.

Posted by: bloke first, youbetcha

Thursday, 16 October 2008

i think the tax cuts are for the 95% who are working? 40% of americans are unemployed. gee the republicans are worse than i thought . and the rich are finally going to have to pay tax? lifes just so unfair

Posted by: trevor crook, wiley pk

Thursday, 16 October 2008

Eh no, Obama said 95% of AMERICAN PEOPLE - middle class. Don't blame the republicans for those that are too lazy to work, are single mothers and are illegal immigrants (mexicans) not legally registered as employed.

Posted by: Patricia S, Sydney

 

Thursday, 16 October 2008

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Posted by: Sujitkumar Kasturi, mumbai

Thursday, 16 October 2008

patricia the tax cuts are for 95%of working americans. you stated that 40%of americans were unemployed. you were not specific .most unemployed americans are genuinely unemployed and not lazy. their unemployment is a direct result of republican mismanagement. as for single mother and mexicans? they are not relevant to the subject we are discussing.

Posted by: trevor crook, wiley pk

 

Thursday, 16 October 2008

It is interesting that is is ok for Obama to align McCain with George Bush; if this is ok; then how about aligning Obama with Bill Clinton. That means that Obama is going to "not have sexual relations" with another woman whilst being married. What is good for one has to be good for the other. This campaign seems like November 2007 in Australia all over again; the media are determined to put their preference in no matter what the hidden agenda or capability; a la Kevin 747.

Posted by: Fair Minded Aussie, Australia

Thursday, 16 October 2008

It's been said by T shirts and bumper stickers for years... screwing an intern isn't as bad as screwing the country. The Republicans have had more than enough time to ruin the US without giving them four more years of power.

Posted by: Swingin' Votah, NSW

Thursday, 16 October 2008

Keep Swinging voter, because its idiots like you that continue to vote in the Labor Party in NSW, I'm sure you prefer govt's that ruin the states they rule.

Posted by: Patricia S, Sydney

Friday, 17 October 2008

I personally think America is in trouble with either of these 2 mugs; Obama saying "all of America's financial problems will be ended once they bring the troops home" shows his level of financial understanding since the financial problems were there before the troops were even committed; and McCain tends to live in the past. I believe Hilary Clinton is the best and most competant man for the job & she doesn't even get a run. I say that and politically I tend to lean more towards the Republicans.

Posted by: Fair Minded Aussie, Australia

 

Thursday, 16 October 2008

" he stole the nomination from Hillary (whom I liked)," and that about sums up intelligent sexist reasoning whilst the Fair Minded Aussie shows his complete lack of any ability. And Patricia, how's about being prepared to pull out of Iraq and bolster the terrorist hunting as a policy, the hunt where it should have always been concentrated - in Afghanistan , and McCain has says I know how to get him (keeping it a secret) , probably going to use Navy Seals!!

Posted by: Neville Simms, Sydney

 

Thursday, 16 October 2008

Is it safe to guess "live news" maybe affiliated with Fox? just curious, as it seems with this article they have done a good job of greying out Obama. Alot of McCain Said. When Obama asked, McCain Said. What about = reporting of what Obama Said? No..boss ot like that? Patricia S. Puppet? try " Googleing" Who their ( both that is) Major Donations came from..You may find they are BOTH puppets of the same Master. Experience? hmm tell us again which of the two have been President, hence Experienced?

Posted by: Nick Again, maryborough

Thursday, 16 October 2008

Oh typical, anyone critical of Obama has to be affiliated with Fox news. You try googling, in fact google comments made by a typical American now famously known as "Joe the Plumber". But I can assure you that McCain did not accept donations from two palestinians, Obama's campaign did. As for the experience comment, that was simply retarded on your part, McCain has much more of it than Obama ever will. Sarah Palin has more experience than Obama has. Delivering a speech isn't the Presidency

Posted by: Patricia S, Sydney

Friday, 17 October 2008

since when was it illegal to accept donations from palestinians? they need some representation in washington.it may help the peace process in the middle east. as for the republicans! after the last 8 years im surprised they show their faces in public. bushes 26%approval rating proves that the majority of americans have seen the light .

Posted by: trevor crook, wiley pk

Friday, 17 October 2008

trevor I have a bucket of ice cold water here for you - Wake the hell up!

Posted by: Patricia S, Sydney

 

Thursday, 16 October 2008

FRIENDS OF OSAMA VOTE OBAMA!

Posted by: Bob Philips, Stirling

Friday, 17 October 2008

every1 put your sarah is a c*** t-shirt on- wear it downtown. send her back to alaska & geriatric jonh to ol peeps home.

Posted by: dilli gaf, chickargo

Friday, 17 October 2008

bravo *applauds*

Posted by: Patricia S, Sydney

Friday, 17 October 2008

patricia. i dont need a bucket of ice water to wake up. just a rational counter argument . ill go and lay down and wait for one.

Posted by: trevor crook, wiley pk

 

Saturday, 18 October 2008

is obama ready to be president? was bush? if he can qualify anyone can.

Posted by: trevor crook, wiley pk

 
 

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