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Souths pokies ban cruelly scuttled

15/08/2008 5:05:00 PM.  | Tim Brunero

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The South Sydney Leagues Club directors who have contrived to scuttle Russell Crowe and Peter Holmes a Court’s ground breaking attempt to banish pokies from the venue should hang their heads in shame.

On Sunday an AGM will be held at Redfern Town Hall to decide the fate of Crowe and Holmes a Court’s visionary proposal.

It's likely the proposal will be defeated because of manoeuvrings some time ago by directors opposed to the pokies ban lead by one Frank Zappia.

Basicly Zappia orchestrated to make it almost impossible for the proposal, which included plans for the clubs future financial viability post pokies, to go though by setting an impossible deadline for the necessary arrangements to be made.

How sad.

Especially when you consider the damage pokies are doing to the socio-economically depressed residents of Redfern, Waterloo, Darlington and other nearby suburbs.

South Sydney leagues could have served as an example for the rest of the state. A state suffering an epidemic of pokies.

Though pokies are now taken for granted here, we actually have a phenomenally large amount of the infernal one-armed bandits.

Australia has a massive 21% of the world’s poker machines. Yes that’s right you read right. They drag $10 billion from the wallets of working families around the country each year – $5 billion of that from families in NSW.

And while Victoria has 30,000 pokies NSW has 95,000.

There are at least 220,000 Aussies struggling with gambling addiction because of pokies. They make up 80 percent of all problem gamblers. It is estimated that each problem gambler adversely affects up to seven others – wives, husbands, and children. That’s 2.5 million people.

Unsurprisingly poor suburbs have the worst problem. A recent landmark state government audit found some families in Sydney’s west and south are gambling away up to three quarters of their disposable income.

Why? Because state governments, who have very few ways they can raise revenue, are simply addicted to the money. They are so gutless that they won’t reduce pokies and then be honest with the electorate and introduce some other fairer taxes.

So South Sydney members, and directors, should think very hard about what they are doing between now and Sunday. The fate of the most vulnerable in the Redfern community, of which I am a member, is in their hands.

COMMENTS

Friday, 15 August 2008

Well said Tim, from up here I was under the illusion that it was going to happen and it's very sad to hear that this miscreant Frank Zappia is white anting the proposal. Getting rid of pokie machines would be good, or if that can't be done how about lobbying for them only to use 1c pieces.

Posted by: Graeme Henderson, Darling Downs

 

Friday, 15 August 2008

The SSLC battle may be lost, but the push to restore a balance to the pokies industry is just starting. Duty of Care Inc (DOC) have an approved march on Sun 24 Aug 08 in Darling Harbour. DOC members want mandatory smart cards with photo ID that sets limits based on ability to lose. A DOC supporter, Daviidv has produced infomercials for the march and proposals which are at http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=akadaviidv or go to www.daviidv.com for more information. Reform is overdue !

Posted by: Richard Wolff, Sydney

 

Friday, 15 August 2008

Hi Tim, what a shame that these few people are so small minded that they see their own self interest before the welfare of the many. Shame!!!

Posted by: Hupset Sout, Shetland Islands

 

Saturday, 16 August 2008

The saddest thing is that we seem to have accepted pokies as a 'given' when they have no right to be! Why should we accept the devastation, the family pain that WE all have to pay for...while the pokies industry steals our community viability...to then look like some benevolent charity...throwing crumbs in our weakened faces? I am staggered that football clubs, the epitome of Aussie fairness supposedly, should let such a terrible industry into their midst...let alone be financed by them! UGH!!

Posted by: Libby Mitchell, Melbourne

 

Saturday, 16 August 2008

There's no doubt that Russell Crowe's heart is in the right place and that he means well. There's a number of commercial realities at stake here. Don't forget, and corporate and public will, South's lost Firepower. No doubt Branson's Virgin Blue was relieved. Australian's and much of the world loves a punt, be it pokies, horse racing, a wager on the boxing, and there days, firms like Virgin, PKR, 888 and others are offering online casinos. Even Warnie's got in on the act. Abroad online casino business has been keeping Calvin Ayre on his toes, but Ayre was in online business, not like James Packer, who recently lost a bundle on a casino deal gone wrong abroad. The Gaming Expo is coming up at Darling Harbour on the 24th August. Don't suppose we will see Russell Crowe or Peter Holmes a Court there, but maybe a few online casino tycoons will show up, and perhaps some Rabbitoh board members also. Wonder if any TAB Corp and Aristocrat brass will show. Rabbitohs, you have South Cares, so ensu

Posted by: Greg Tingle, North Bondi

 

Saturday, 16 August 2008

I once worked this industry, I steadfastly refuse to go back near it, was the most psycho-draing job I ever undertook. I guess i just cant stand seeing people ripped off. The reason the govt allows them. They sold off everythiong that used make a $. It's all gone private. I find it strange people are happy to see everything sold off like we have. How many ways doeas the guv earn a $ now? Taxes....levies, taxes....Hmmmmmmm. No big bussines anymore. Oz, the sold out land!

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

 

Sunday, 17 August 2008

get real people no one puts a gun to your head to play the pokies I do occasionaly it's all about personal responsibility which we all seem to erxpect someone else to take for us these days

Posted by: errol eadie, Wyoming

Monday, 18 August 2008

You're quite right. I assume you support legalising all drugs then too?

Posted by: Tim Brunero, Sydney

 

Sunday, 17 August 2008

Perhaps we should stop selling alcohol too, the grief and pain it causes families can often be even more disastrous than gambling. Maybe we should just ban gambling, alcohol , tobacco etc etc. Make them all illegal, after all we are not required to be personally responsible anymore, our Govt's can think for us, ban all things we are unable to be personally responsible for."They drag $10 billion from the wallets of working families around the country each year". Like the alcoholic, you can say no

Posted by: susan lowe, gippsland

Monday, 18 August 2008

susan, do you realise the area that this club is in? It would be like putting one in the out back of the NT.

Posted by: Belinda Hummie, New lambton

 

Sunday, 17 August 2008

And ciggies too!!!Hey, if they aint available they cant be used. It wont go undergroung and create an multi billion $ industry....Honest...( I got a lil truck :)) )

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

 

Monday, 18 August 2008

Will the club at least undertake not to allow starved reels?

Posted by: Tim Falkiner, Melbourne

Monday, 18 August 2008

Tim, I'd never heard of them... I'm reading about them as we speak at....

Posted by: Tim Brunero, Sydney

 

Monday, 18 August 2008

Good one again Tim. I don't agree entirely, but more an more you're well thought out. Pokies are a scourge and most gamblers are impulsive, so even a reduction and isolation of them from the main floor would help. With an entirely corruptable and inefficient state government, NSW is never going to get better.... i wish there was what vaguely resembles an opposition rather than the out of touch frat boys that can't work out why they never get voted for. Helping "working families"?! Yeah right..

Posted by: Jeff Johns, Sydney

Monday, 18 August 2008

Thanks Jeff.

Posted by: Tim Brunero, Sydney

 

Monday, 18 August 2008

There you go Bel, are you suggesting people in low socio economic areas lack the ability to make responsible decisions. I would suggest gamblers, alcoholics, drug addicts, even child abusers, cross all socio economic groups.This has nothing to do with where they are located, it has to do with being responsible for your own decisions. While I dont agree with pokies, or alcohol being sold in supermarkets, I do believe every individual is responsible for their own bad choices.Anywhere.

Posted by: susan lowe, gippsland

Monday, 18 August 2008

Slowe, if you were right there would be no advertising industry.

Posted by: Graeme Henderson, Darling Downs

Monday, 18 August 2008

Susan, I agree that all people are ultimately responsible for their own decisions, but that decisions making process is different in less educated people who do not have so many options in life. Yes, they are responsible, but no, our government should not be putting psycologically engineered machines designed to insight that impulsive bad decision in places of relaxation and lower income to pay for their own bad management. Especially when it is SUPPOSEDLY our left wing government doing it.

Posted by: Jeff Johns, Sydney

 

Monday, 18 August 2008

Nick, get the truck going, they make all these ilegal we can start an underground multi million $ business , the same as illicit drugs. Addicts will always find another venue to gamble, or drink, or smoke, taking them away or having less of them wont change an addict.

Posted by: susan lowe, gippsland

Monday, 18 August 2008

Susan. Do you support the legalisation of drugs or not?

Posted by: Tim Brunero, Sydney

 

Monday, 18 August 2008

yes just had to make you aware of the high aborginal population, it contradicts what you were saying in the greer comments. I think everyone is responsible for there own decisions. but what crow etc was trying to do is actually a good thing for this community.

Posted by: Belinda Hummie, New lambton

 

Monday, 18 August 2008

Sorry Bel it doesnt contradict anything I said in the Greer posts. Pearson himself said ALL people should be protected. I think your post just now may contradict what Teddy Bear said in the posts on Greer, not mine. I didnt agree with her, never have , never will. Oh and Aboriginals are just over 1 % of the population, or do you mean there are many homeless aboriginals looking for public housing , if so, that was the point of my comment on 'reverse racism' at the Greer topic.

Posted by: susan lowe, gippsland

 

Monday, 18 August 2008

No I dont Tim, but making something that is legal now, illegal, wont stop addicts. Heroin and Hemp were legal in the 1930's and 40's I believe, look what has happened since they became ILLEGAL.I do not want what is already illegal made legal, but do you believe by removing the pokies you will correct the problems of the gamblers ? The problem of addiction isnt as simple as that Tim. Perhaps we should look to the cause, concentrate on prevention, rather than rehabilitation, even reponsibility

Posted by: susan lowe, gippsland

Monday, 18 August 2008

I've got an idea Susan. Let's reverse it. Let's legalise drugs and make pokies illegal. Try it for two years and see what happens.

Posted by: Tim Brunero, Sydney

 

Monday, 18 August 2008

Slowe, when you say;"concentrate on prevention" isn't that what removing the pokies would be doing?

Posted by: Graeme Henderson, Darling Downs

 

Monday, 18 August 2008

ok susan i must have got it wrong. but in these suburbs you will find that aborginals are majority of the population. especially in redfern, as this is where the government in their wisdom has put them over the years.

Posted by: Belinda Hummie, New lambton

 

Monday, 18 August 2008

I am one of the less educated Jeff, born and raised in a low income area. While I understand your point, your missing mine. Moving them, making them illegal, or lowering the number, will not stop those already addicted or in danger of becoming addicted.The problem of addiction is far deeper rooted than that. Do you suggest we leave them in higher socio economic area's, because believe me the addicts from the lower socio area's will find a way to get to them. The answer, I wish I knew.

Posted by: susan lowe, gippsland

 

Monday, 18 August 2008

I am obviously doing a poor job of making my point.You can move them, ban them, make them illegal, an addict will find a way to gamble, the same as an alcoholic will get a drink.Hell they can gamble online now. I am also astounded so many of you think this is only a problem in lower socio area's. Many in the elite have lost everything they own through gambling and all addictions, left their families homeless.Addiction has no class or race.Either BAN them altogether, or they will still gamblel

Posted by: susan lowe, gippsland

 

Monday, 18 August 2008

One example, I have lived in Victoria for years, pokies were illegal here for years, GUESS WHAT, they got in their cars and buses and went over the border.If you are going to remove them, you either have to remove them from ALL venues, or not at all, As I said before, even then, they can gamble online.Has anyone posting here ever had someone who is an addict in their lives ? If you truly have, you will know, moving, lowering banning, making illegal, wont stop an addict.

Posted by: susan lowe, gippsland

 

Monday, 18 August 2008

its a start, i think is the point susan

Posted by: Belinda Hummie, New lambton

 

Monday, 18 August 2008

susan lowe, gippsland said;"I am one of the less educated" Are we supposed to be surprised?

Posted by: Graeme Henderson, Darling Downs

 

Monday, 18 August 2008

GH ,if your an example of the higher educated, Ill stay in the less educated stereotypical corner. I expect you will say you didnt say that now GH, you will want us to believe you truly know how hard it is to battle and struggle in the lower socio less educated area's of life. You amaze me, but as I said earlier, your posts become irrelevant the minute you attack others. For one so highly educated GH it isnt possible you could know how hard us S'lowely people have it, funny you cry poor though.

Posted by: susan lowe, gippsland

 

Monday, 18 August 2008

Yes Bel, maybe, but billions fed into Quit smoking campaign, they still smoke, and that was a start too. More young women smoking now than before. I understand your point, I wish it were that simple. Good Luck

Posted by: susan lo