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Wednesday, 03 December 2008

Urgent calls to abolish existing IR laws

22/08/2008 7:18:00 AM.  | Heidi Tiltins & AAP
There are calls for the Rudd government to move quickly to scrap the remainder of WorkChoices, as state and territory IR ministers meet in Sydney today.

The Rudd Government has promised to implement a new system by 2010.

The meeting is expected to discuss the key features of Labor's proposed IR laws.

But the Australian Council of Trade Unions says the ministers must address the urgent need to abolish the existing IR regime.

ACTU president Sharan Burrow says it's wrong to assume WorkChoices is dead, and tens of thousands of Australian workers are continuing to be hurt by the laws.

Ms Burrow says she hopes today's talks are productive.

“The state ministers have a real role to play. A robust national system with strong collective bargaining rights…the role of the independent umpire to move in and settle intractable disputes…”

The federal government introduced laws banning new Australian Workplace Agreements in March, when Prime Minister Kevin Rudd declared WorkChoices dead and buried.

The government has said it'll take as long as it needs to reform the entire IR system, with the new regime to be in place by early 2010.

COMMENTS

Friday, 22 August 2008

10's of thousands NOT paying Union Fees' more like it. Strange, my wifes and my pay's weren't affected by IR. Holidays etc, not affected one bit? Didnt HAVE to pay into the Union coffers but.

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

Friday, 22 August 2008

How very nice for you that your pay and your wife's was unaffected. However, I feel compelled to advise that this issue is not solely about you, as much as that may be a surprise to you. Have you already forgotten the horror stories as the worst employers raced to see who could be the most exploitative as soon as they were given the chance? Unions are necessary to protect against Dickensian conditions. Read some history, a little education may help your viewpoint.

Posted by: Mick S, Central Coast

Friday, 22 August 2008

I once worked for a company that had roughly 100 heavy vehicle drivers. It was 1997 and they were 'put onto' AWA'S. They were offered what seemed to be a good deal at the time, BUT, when the AWA had expired after 3 years, it took another 5 months to get a new one presented to them as a whole and, guess what, NO PAY RISE, NOT EVEN CPI INDEXED. They went for 8 years WITHOUT a pay rise. Tell me that is good. These blokes were EXPLOITED because of their age and limited skills.

Posted by: David ., NSW

Friday, 22 August 2008

Mick - the part of your statement that was left out, is that the horror stories you mention, were either a) media beat ups, or b) idiot emplyers who thought they go do draconian things when in fact they couldn't. There were some issues in the beginning, which were quickly addressed, since then "no dramas". David - I've so many questions....what were they earning to begin with? Did anyone simply leave & get another job?

Posted by: Concerned Liberal, Minto

Friday, 22 August 2008

Mick I have freinds that went on similar stuff, when the new contract got introduced 70% of the companies work force went down the road. Most picked up a substanial increase are kickin themselves for not going sooner? Timber Industry. lower class .So whats your point? Many people have picked up from the city life and taken their trades out west to the mines.Mid class. Many Managers have gone elsewhere too? There has been an Employment BOOM here until recently...Still is in some sectors.

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

 

Friday, 22 August 2008

He wants to reform the entire system - didn't we already do that? So now what he really means is that he is going to revert it all back. Luckily, these changes don't affect us at all, we are all on individual contracts. Its my younger cousins that i feel sorry for, two of them signed AWA's and get more under that than under the old award - they both work in the so called "evil hospitality industry" which is out to exploit young workers. People need to realise that WORKERS want flexibility too!

Posted by: Concerned Liberal, Minto

Friday, 22 August 2008

I found I always earnt better Hrly rates in the HOSPITALITY Industry than general Labour. CL, if Cousin is working for good people they'll pay above KRUDD's award anyway.

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

Friday, 22 August 2008

I totally agree - on the wages issue - its the flexibility that they lose. For many people nowadays they prefer flexability over penalty rates etc...They will be fine for the next few years as their AWA's are signed off & valid, but its the new kids comming in, who won't have the same options.

Posted by: Concerned Liberal, Minto

Friday, 22 August 2008

C.L.I dont think the man will get rid of them "totally". I think we will have them in one guise or another. Probably have to go through a UNION Agreement and have Union representation between Employer/employee... I have a daughter ready for this sort of thing next yr, so I'm hearing you on that. Least I maybe able to organise something through friends in the Industry...Keep her from being RIPPED OFF.

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

 

Friday, 22 August 2008

I personally dont know of anyone who was worse off under Workchoices but Im sure they are out there, but I do remember when I started work in the retail industry about 20 years ago . I was 16 years old , just out of school very excited about starting a job . by lunchtime I had been cornered in the toilets and told by 2 of the senior staff (women) that if I didnt join the union by the end of the day it would be in my best interest not to show up again.I joined! Is this what we want for our kids

Posted by: Jennifer T, Bulli

Monday, 24 November 2008

jennifer, ' you dont know anyone worse off under workchoices' first hand, anecdotal evidence is hardly he way to ascertain anything. you should have been aware of your union and the responsibility involved before you started work.why should paying members have to support you in relation to pay and conditions? learn a little more about what workchoices really means to the ''majority'' of australian workers.and why unions formed in the first place.

Posted by: david green, wiley pk

 

Friday, 22 August 2008

Krudd knows full well he needs to drag this our until 2010. That means the effects of the changes won't be felt by the economy before the next time he goes to the polls. He If the changes were rushed through now there would be a major push by the unions to increase wages for everyone fueling inflation and costing the average punter that wants nothing to do with the unions there negotiation fees which we all know will be more expensive than union fees.

Posted by: Mark Sinclair, Maryland

 

Friday, 22 August 2008

Pitty we can't get this backward thinking goverment to rest in peace,they are a failure can someone please show me where all these worse off workers really are.All crap I say shame on the press,unions and labor for all your lies please go away before you totally #### us up.

Posted by: rey reinecke, Cherrybrook

 

Friday, 22 August 2008

What an incredible set of selective amnesiacs. Real people were reallly exploited by real employers when given the chance by Workchoices. The then government was then forced to introduce a so-called "fairness test", but employers still failed that. This was not lies, or a media beat up, simply factual.

Posted by: Mick S, Central Coast

 

Friday, 22 August 2008

I'm sorry to say but i was harrassed more for signing the AWA even though it was meant to be be kept secret. Union members harrassed me relentlessly, before and after I signed it. It was the worst time of my working life. I signed it because I was much better off under the AWA than I was on the EBA. but i was seen as a scab. Even though i was looking after my families best interest.

Posted by: Belinda Hummie, New lambton

 

Friday, 22 August 2008

I used to work for a company that dealt with banks paperwork. I was given the 'choice' to go on an AWA that lowered my wages by $3 an hour, I also no longer had penalty rates and no leave loading, but let me work up to 12 more hours a week (I was a part timer, who worked 24 hours a week). I refused to sign such an unfair 'deal', so I was shown the door. They hired a 15 year old the following day at $10 per hour, he didn't stay long.

Posted by: Daryl Fraser, Brisbane

Friday, 22 August 2008

Daryl - if thats the complete story - thats flat out illegal. This is WHY the howard government was releasing those ads that everyone whinged about - so people would KNOW their rights under the new laws. I'd recomend you go to the workplace authority. As for the firm losing the 15yo - this doesn't surprise me, bad bosses will soon realise that if you exploit workers they will leave. Any good boss, knows that to build a great business you look after staff first- recruitment costs are too high.

Posted by: Concerned Liberal, Minto

 

Friday, 22 August 2008

The Unions are getting restless-they want their pound of flesh. After all the lies and propaganda that they spread about Work Choices they now want Rudd to pay up-they cannot wait till 2010.Their campaign had nothing to do with the good of the Workers but more to do with trying to recover their lost influence and to give Rudd a leg up to the Prime Ministership.A recent report by the Melbourne Institute has found that Workers on individual contracts enjoyed wage increases of 9.1% while those on enterprise agreements gained only 6.1%. So much for the Union claim that Workers were being ripped off.

Posted by: Desmond Harris, Beacon Hill

 

Friday, 22 August 2008

Concerned, Minto. Unfortunately, because of their ages, 45 and above, most opted to stay on because of the Industry they were in. They enjoyed it. But some kicked up a stink when the 2nd AWA came in without an increase and they left. The majority that were left were career drivers that did not want to drive interstate trucks etc. The employer was a VERY good friend of people in the Liberal Party, and knew the ins and outs of AWA'S. It disgusted me to see people being treated like that. (cont)

Posted by: David ., NSW

 

Friday, 22 August 2008

(CONT)...The owner/employer (because I was a Manager, so I was privy to information) put his rates up EVERY year in line with CPI, but did not give the drivers, or many employees for that matter, ANY sort of increase. He exploited the drivers because he knew they enjoyed their jobs and would not leave. When we employed new drivers it was they either signed an AWA or there was no job for them. No choice for the employee meant he screwed them all. Its a long story. Not enough space!

Posted by: David ., NSW

 

Friday, 22 August 2008

I understand David - for decades there have been complaints about pay in your industry. I'm just wondering whether its the AWA'a or an industry wide issue. I like AWA's becasue of some of things you said - some stayed becasue "they loved their jobs", but others left - they had a choice to make. I know I will turn down pay for flexibility or happy workplace anyday. When I was younger, I never wanted holidays, I'd rather cash them in, even now, I hate taking a lunch break, I'd rather work through

Posted by: Concerned Liberal, Minto

Friday, 22 August 2008

I got out years ago. My wife and I had a child and when I returned from Parental leave they had completely changed my job, times, days, role etc. I complained to the employer and was basically told 'bad luck'. They did not even phone me whilst I was off to indicate changes etc. Not wanting to drag out a court case, I left. It is an Industry wide issue, pay. There are many more stories about the Industry, one I bet ICAC would be very interested in. It is still going on now I bet.

Posted by: David ., NSW

Friday, 22 August 2008

At least you got out - Bad employers will never change until they're forced to. The thing I've never understood about these fools is that financially you are better off looking after your staff. Rather than spending money on changing the system, I think Rudd should increase legal aids budget so they can take on more work, & so that more people can qualify. There is no point having legal rights if no-one can afford to enforce them.

Posted by: Concerned Liberal, Minto

 

Friday, 22 August 2008

David, your example PROVES that there are ROGUE operators out there. The Campaign ADDS tried telling us the Norm was ROGUE. Not ALL bussinesses were rorting. Those that did found it tough to survive because Staff move on. We returned to this town after 5yrs because of better wages on offer. NOt hard.People will take their labors elswhere....or sit and complain?

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

 
 

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