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Teachers told not to use 'aggressive' red pen

3/12/2008 6:18:00 PM.  | AAP
Teachers have been advised that marking students' work in red pen could harm their mental health.

A kit to help teachers address mental health wellbeing in the classroom offers a list of tips devised by experts.

One tip says: "Don't mark in a red pen (which can be seen as aggressive) - use a different colour."

The kit, tabled in Queensland's parliament on Wednesday by Deputy Opposition Leader Mark McArdle, sparked a row between the government and opposition over education priorities.

"Given your 10-year-old Labor government presides over the lowest numeracy and literacy standards of any state in Australia, don't you think it's time we focused on classroom outcomes rather than these kooky, loony, loopy, lefty policies?" Mr McArdle asked Premier Anna Bligh in parliament.

Ms Bligh said the question was trivial at a time of economic crisis.

"Thousands of Queensland retirees for example are seeing their superannuation earnings go through the floor, and the opposition wants to speak about the colour of pens that teachers are using in the classroom," Ms Bligh said.

Opposition Leader Lawrence Springborg said there was nothing wrong with teachers using a red pen.

"How crazy is this government?" he told reporters.

But Health Minister Stephen Robertson, whose department devised the kit, said youth suicide was such a serious issue.

"If mental health professionals determine that as one of a number of strategies teachers should consider, then I'll support them every day of the week," he told reporters.

"This is not a matter for ridicule, this is serious."

COMMENTS

Wednesday, 03 December 2008

MY Daughter is now doing home school ,best thing that ever happened, keep your kids out of the hands of these lefty loonies,schools in NSW especially in the west reflect the institute that run them NSW GOV,how smart are these teachers they let the union spend millions of there union fees to properganda untruths to get them elected and then hold the whole state to ransom show the kids that if you dont get your own way in life just walk out. Poor kids.

Posted by: Paul Prentice, Penrith

Friday, 05 December 2008

"properganda"?????? It's the real thing then is it? Good luck with the home schooling

Posted by: Tony N, Huntingdale

 

Wednesday, 03 December 2008

Well it is a silly season , so keep it up . Red , blue , green. Who the hell cares.

Posted by: Poison Pen, Sydney

Thursday, 04 December 2008

As a former teacher; the reason we use Red is to differentiate between the Black or Blue the students use, our comments are clearly sighted & there is less chance of making mistakes whilst adding up the marks. To take it to the letter of the law; all students must use black; exams are legal documents. In recent years this has been relaxed to include blue. To clarify another point; Red is not an aggressive colour; it's a power colour. This teacher needs to go back to year one of Teacher College

Posted by: Fair Minded Aussie, Australia

 

Wednesday, 03 December 2008

I'm severely confused right now. So Deputy Opposition Mark McArdle introduced the kit, and then Opposition Leader Lawrence Springborg says "How Crazy is this Government" ??? I don't understand how Springborg asks how crazy this government is, if it was his party which introduced it? Someone care to explain :S

Posted by: alan truong, bankstown

 

Wednesday, 03 December 2008

Didn't you all hear, newest study done at the university of loonies. People are advised not to look at children directly because it makes them feel inferior and might turn mental and if you speak to them it might make them worse. Also if you live in the same house as a child they have a higher chance of developing mental illness. We should all build a planet just for kids so they can live amongst eachother and not be affected by anything us adults do... and im being serious....

Posted by: peter realist, sydney

Wednesday, 03 December 2008

Oh goodness don't tell them they faileddd, OMG never, it will harm their mental well being. Have we ALL gone mad !! We have babies on anti depressants in this country, feeding our children feel good pills at a rate of knots never before seen, and now ...dont use a red pen to mark their school work it might harm their mental well being. I give up !! The thought police have driven us all mad along with the PC mob...God Forbid anyone should tell a child No, or you did not succeed, least of all you failed..no wonder they cant handle real life and all it's ups and downs. Get a life you pack of moronic lunatics before you raise a generation of children whose emotional growth has been stunted by the insane asylum runnning the joint.

Posted by: susan lawe, wherever

 

Wednesday, 03 December 2008

Poor babies, that they should have to take correction. I work in schools, and am a little bit over this attitude that kids need to be protected from criticism. My kids get corrected at their schools, and it prepares them for the real world. I don't know too many bosses that allow an employee to make a mistake and then say "I'd better be careful how I correct them, I don't want to upset them." We need to be preparing kids for the real world.

Posted by: Melissa Alderton, Denistone

Wednesday, 03 December 2008

i agree melissa, i have an 18 yr old about to go into the real world. while i have done my best, school has cotton woolled him. he has no idea. god help me. i want him to leave home, but he would die from stupidity within weeks

Posted by: Belinda Hummie, New lambton

Wednesday, 03 December 2008

"while i have done my best, school has cotton woolled him. he has no idea." Classic stupid parent response

Posted by: jenny jenkins, sydney

Thursday, 04 December 2008

jenny why am i stupid. do you have any idea how he has been treated at school? no. so think before saying i am stupid. now he is out of the school system i have a chance to teach him. before i didnt. they were always right i was wrong

Posted by: Belinda Hummie, New lambton

Friday, 05 December 2008

Excuses excuses. Now that youve taken him away from the resources that would enable his learning he sure is going to learn well. I repeat, you are crazy dumb parent! I've seen your sorts many times before, such a rebel, fightin the 'unjust' system with your son. You are going to regret it, no correction, your son will end up hating you. Your choice on how to solve the problem, dont pull the plug on the whole shebang.Oh, i just remembered, you cant wait till they move out.

Posted by: Jenny Jenkins, Sydney

Friday, 05 December 2008

what is wrong with wanting him to leave home jenny? he iis almost 19? he starts tafe next yr so he is not out of the system. he will do that for 6mths and then he has two jobs to choose from. my disappointment with the school system is that he did yr 12 over 2 yrs in those two yrs he was cotton woolled. he doesnt even know how to fill out a simple form or how to read one. he would not survive. other things as well that is hard to get into. he has to grow up sometime jenny.

Posted by: Belinda (JWH Party) (Sex Party), Newcastle

Friday, 05 December 2008

jenny if i dont teach him who will, you are the stupid one, if you think i should leave it up to the school system to do it. he gets his hsc results next week. most of which the marks have been given special dispensation because he has problems. this won't happen in the real world, is all i have to say on the matter

Posted by: Belinda (JWH Party) (Sex Party), Newcastle

Saturday, 06 December 2008

School should be an extension of home...not where the teaching is the be and end all. Home needs to be the real balance..take it for all it's worth and explain to your children they are only there for the moment.Life is about waiting, accepting and moving on, and sometimes eating a lot of humble-pie. As for "after school" different rules...maybe. Real parenting is very intense and it is up to us to be the real teachers and prepare them with real life skills.Love your children for who they are.

Posted by: User/Pay Member of Society, NSW

Saturday, 06 December 2008

yes user pay. the problems i have come up against is i am to harsh. give him time. we will take care of it. and of course i love my child for who he is. there is never a doubt in that. but it scares me when i think of him going out into the real world, without basic skills. i have taught him thinks like how to cook, shop, washing, hygiene (even though you would think not), sex, drinking &drugs. but what its like in the work place, nope. i cant teach that. forms i thought school would. silly me

Posted by: Belinda (JWH Party) (Sex Party), Newcastle

Saturday, 06 December 2008

i should say i have tried to teach him about work place stuff. like how to dress, etc. being on time. starting at the bottom. putting in 110%. making sure that you do everything that is asked of you. including sweeping floors, making coffee, getting lunches etc. he asked me how to do his resume? hangon isnt that something that should have been taught at school? people skills, how to address work collegues, bosses etc. instead of going huh,and mumbling. i dont know maybe i am too harsh

Posted by: Belinda (JWH Party) (Sex Party), Newcastle

Saturday, 06 December 2008

one example was the school took him to the hairdressers to have his hair done as i hadn't taken him. i refused to unless he started looking after it. he wouldnt wash it, brush it or get rid of the nits. i said until he could improve his hygiene i would not take him. so the school did. he got his hair cut and coloured. i had brushed his hair before for an interview for work experience after he had washed it. it took me an hour to get the knots out. if i discipline him the school overrided me

Posted by: Belinda (JWH Party) (Sex Party), Newcastle

Tuesday, 09 December 2008

Its amazing how Teachers seem to think they no so much more than anyone else,but lets look at there ideology,They pay union fees,then they let those union fees to be used,to propagander the worst state Gov in history back into power , ,The state that gives there wages to them is broke,obvously they think there getting a bad deal when it comes to there pay and conditions,the kids and parents are getting ripped off,BUT THE UNION AND LABOUR PARTY ARE ROLLING IN IT .

Posted by: Paul Prentice, Penrith

 

Thursday, 04 December 2008

Melissa who right, the children just do what they want and take no responsibility for their actions, and you can not do anything in case they get upset. Just notice at the stores they demand what they see and so as they will be happy give it to them. Not me you touch anything on the shelve you do not get it and the grandkids know that but with the other grandma they go wild, why they know she will do nothing about it Teach them that you can say no and back it up Jan

Posted by: Jan BAker, bangor

Thursday, 04 December 2008

I hear that. I've got 4 kidlets, we go shopping, there's no " I want this i want that", except from the youngest who's in the trolley out of reach of anything.We get told you smack your kids, you see it's worth in the shops day in day out.Kids leading parents. This kind of rubbish ( red pens) to me is only a smokescreen to hide the lack of ability to Teach/educate our children. Would be good if some of teachers out there could actually spell and do math at a better standard than 5grade themselv

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

 

Thursday, 04 December 2008

Better not use Black pen, Aboriginals might get upset. Better not use Yellow pen, Asians might get upset. Better not use any pen. They are all doomed by our stupidity.

Posted by: Mitch OMatic, Sydney

 

Thursday, 04 December 2008

Counselling ! That's what red-pen (psychologically) marked kids need ! What are teenagers going to do when they leave school, get bitten by a spider, and find ... no counselling is available?

Posted by: Observer JWH Party, Australia

 

Thursday, 04 December 2008

I happen to think this is a good idea, kids make comparisons with each other and the red ink is highly visible. Schooling should be about learning, not competition. Sure the kids work needs to be corrected, but teachers being aware of a child's mental state etc is very important. Schools should be positive and nurturing without misleading or molly coddling a child. A lot of damage is done in childhood and as most kids are in schools this could be one positive enviroment for them. to be cont...

Posted by: Cassandra Cole, Sydney

 

Thursday, 04 December 2008

conti...This was the same attitude of an elderly teacher, not a young hip in the know 4 year university trained teacher, that I had way back in 1975!

Posted by: Cassandra Cole, Sydney

 

Thursday, 04 December 2008

Maybe teachers use red pen so that helpful comments and constructive criticism can be seen easily. If students read the comments and acted upon them perhaps their grades would improve.

Posted by: Astonished Observer, Victoria

 

Thursday, 04 December 2008

I'm not sure about this red pen idea, but our teachers defineately need a look at. There are some absolutely brillant teachers out there and some who really shouldn't be teaching, this is where the problem lies I believe. I have to agree with the point that parents are always in the wrong and the teachers in the right, I'm tired of my sons teachers being uneducated and careless with their treatment and coments towards the class. The occupation itself needs an overhaul.

Posted by: fern feather, perth

 

Thursday, 04 December 2008

ARGGGGGG...Why is there an assumption being made that red is BAD? Red is used to disginuish a teachers work from the students work, it makes it easier to read comments and grades whether they are good, bad or indifferent. If a teacher wrote "you work is shit, you dumbass", I could understand their fragile ego not coping, but its ridiculous to suggest that the colour is the determining factor. There is nothing wrong with correction & advice done in red...

Posted by: Concerned Liberal, Minto

 

Thursday, 04 December 2008

Someone wrote red was a good idea as it stands out and kids will take notice of the corrections. That's true. But it's also true kids compare and if your work has visible red corrections all over it you tend to hide it away when it's handed back to you - you don't want the other kids to think you're dumb. This happened many times with my fellow classmates. I even worked with a guy who'd destroy our letters/documents etc with red pen if there mistakes, maybe a throwback to his schooldays?

Posted by: Cassandra Cole, Sydney

 

Friday, 05 December 2008

Another QLD thing set for an appearance on "A Current Affair". What next?

Posted by: Brendan Richards, Quakers Hill

 

Friday, 05 December 2008

WARNING – This post is quite substantial and actually offers insight. Some of these post are incredible. As a current university student who is the son of teachers, but also working in the real world whilst dealing with depression, I feel I have a pretty relevant view on the topic. Red pen usage could be interpreted as aggressive and destructive to mental health for students who have learnt to associate that colour with negative or aggressive comments. It could be that many of the students TBC

Posted by: Some Inisght, Sydney

 

Friday, 05 December 2008

... suffering from mental problems associated with red pens are lower performing students, who may also have problems that extend beyond correction of school work. In any case, it is not the colour of a pen that will cause someone to develop these problems. If all teachers are fo